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    Re: US low score on world motherhood rankings: charity

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    So you'd consider our highway system and military to be failures? Because they're the best in the world. Our post office runs efficiently as hell, do you know any private companies that will take a letter 2000 miles and deliver it by hand for less than a buck?
    I wouldn't know how to compare us to other countries, I've never been anywhere else. . . so I'm not going to pretend.

    But what makes you feel we have *the best* roadways as a nation? Not to forget that the states hold the biggest responsibility and cost for road-care and maintenance, not the federal government. . .so a broad sweeping statement won't work.
    Per my state - we have some of the worst roads in the country, so that chime falls on deaf ears.

    Our military is the best in the world? Is it really?
    Well - this depends on who you talk to and what you're talking about. Quality of military is a HUGE variety of issues all jumbled together - I refuse to pretend that we dominate in every aspect of this when we blatantly don't.
    My husband be pissed: but some aspects of our military is wretched beyond belief and fails to function as it should. Everything from our paperwork system to efficiency in the field, tactics and spending practices and even medical-care can be analyzed and judged and compared to others - so how you can fairly assess that we're the best is beyond me.
    Medical care, by the way, in the military is atrocious. Remember Walter Reed? That was a problem that solely stemmed from the government itself. This gem that you worship and feel is stellar is quite tarnished and incapable when it comes to the things that matter.

    And our post office? Our post office is so efficient that it's going bankrupt and having to close branches just to continue to function.

    The overlooked thing about the government (and the core problem of all government-run failures) is that apparently it can run up a HUGE bill and payroll - and then just tax us and borrow from other countries when it overdraws. Basically, it has no spending limit - no one to cut off the tap when they've topped off. So they can spend, spend, spend - without having to answer to anyway.

    Now, I don't consider that to be efficient, ideal business practice or smart - I think that's stupidity at it's finest. To which you say it's "the best" - so whatever.

    Health care? Every country that has adopted UHC has found it to be less expensive with better outcomes. Every time. If that's not good evidence, I don't know what is. There are countries with UHC that deliver their medicine entirely through private insurance and private practitioners and still do better than we do. There are others that go full-fledged socialized medicine, and they do better too. Then there are lots of countries with a system that is in between. They do better than we do.
    Certain approaches might work in other countries - but will it work in ours? Our government is not like other governments - we are a government by proxy, unlike the UK and others which are a direct government: the government IS the power over all transportation, airways, utilities and so on. So - giving our government MORE responsibility - can it function and maintain control and balance?

    I think it's proven time and time that it cannot. It cannot succeed because it refuses to control it's own spending and asses problems before it erupts and collapses, bringing everyone down with it.

    To not see the trend is to be blind.
    That's exactly what I'm saying to you - the government is in control of a vast number of things, all of which are plagued with problems and riddled with holes that need fixing. . . yet you're looking at these same things and being overly optimistic - when the evidence proves that if it's in the government's hands it's going to get ruined because partisan politics will rule and customer service and propriety will be put aside.
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    Re: US low score on world motherhood rankings: charity

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    It also scored poorly on under-five mortality, its rate of eight per 1,000 births putting it on a par with Slovakia and Montenegro.
    See, this is such BS. No other country counts pre-mature births as births. If an infant is born pre-maturely in most other countries and dies, it isn't counted in the infant mortality rate. But in the US, we take heroic measures for such infants and we DO count them in our live births/infant mortality rates, which inflates our numbers of infant mortality.

    The US *accurately* reports the live births and deaths. Most other countries do not.

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    Re: US low score on world motherhood rankings: charity

    Very true, rivvrat.

    Another statistic not accounted for but might tell a different story are the # of births that our advances in technology and medicine have allowed to carry further into the pregnancy/birth - even if the infant didn't survive infancy or childhood.
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    Re: US low score on world motherhood rankings: charity

    I should amend my former statement to say that no other country counts premie *deaths* as live births/deaths. If the premie lives, they count it as a live birth (though they rarely take heroic measures to save them). But if the premie dies, they do NOT count it as a live birth and subsequent death.

    Here in the US, we DO count them as a live birth and death. Which inflates our infant mortality numbers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Very true, rivvrat.

    Another statistic not accounted for but might tell a different story are the # of births that our advances in technology and medicine have allowed to carry further into the pregnancy/birth - even if the infant didn't survive infancy or childhood.
    Indeed. You can only do that **** with private practices, though.

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    Re: US low score on world motherhood rankings: charity

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    It also scored poorly on under-five mortality, its rate of eight per 1,000 births putting it on a par with Slovakia and Montenegro.
    I wonder if they took into consideration that we have a higher rate of premature births than other developed nations, and that our methods for counting live births differ from other countries? I bet not.
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    Re: US low score on world motherhood rankings: charity

    Sorry Riverrat- I posted before I read all the way through the thread.
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    Re: US low score on world motherhood rankings: charity

    These statistics and studies are only an appeal to the ignorant.
    As all the others, you have to deconstruct them to find the truth.
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    Re: US low score on world motherhood rankings: charity

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    See, this is such BS. No other country counts pre-mature births as births. If an infant is born pre-maturely in most other countries and dies, it isn't counted in the infant mortality rate. But in the US, we take heroic measures for such infants and we DO count them in our live births/infant mortality rates, which inflates our numbers of infant mortality.

    The US *accurately* reports the live births and deaths. Most other countries do not.
    And you can prove this of course right? A non biased source with actual facts that is .....
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    Re: US low score on world motherhood rankings: charity

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    See, this is such BS. No other country counts pre-mature births as births. If an infant is born pre-maturely in most other countries and dies, it isn't counted in the infant mortality rate. But in the US, we take heroic measures for such infants and we DO count them in our live births/infant mortality rates, which inflates our numbers of infant mortality.

    The US *accurately* reports the live births and deaths. Most other countries do not.
    Australia does, and we have a similar standard of neo-natal care, and we came in second.
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    Re: US low score on world motherhood rankings: charity

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Australia does, and we have a similar standard of neo-natal care, and we came in second.
    The big gripe with comparing different country's medical care systems and health outcomes, is that all these countries are different.
    Different in demographics, culture/lifestyle, environment and population size.

    Could we really compare the U.K. to Japan evenly?
    No because they have entirely different cultures/lifestyles and different demographics (not sure about population size.)

    To make it easier to understand, we know that Australia has a larger amount of people that develop skin cancer, compared to the U.S. or Europe.
    Australia also has universal health care.
    Would it be fair to say that the increase in people with skin cancer is because of universal health care?

    Of course not, it's because of geographical location.

    Most supporters UHC are saying that people in countries with it are healthier because of it.
    They use unadjusted statistics as "proof."

    Does that make sense?
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