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Halliburton Could Be at Fault for Oil Spill

Manc Skipper said:
The rig is hired by BP but is owned and operated by Transocean.
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I believe BP owns the well, but contracted all the work out to Transocean and others.
 
Gill said:
Explain this:


Clean Water Act National Enforcement Programs | Civil Enforcement | Compliance and Enforcement | U.S. EPA
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The Coast Guard checks lifesaving procedures and equipment, and panel members were concerned about the fact that lifeboat weight capacity is calculated at 165 pounds per person, a figure based on passenger vessels with women and children, not drilling rigs staffed almost exclusively by grown men.

Kenner hearing: Some Coast Guard oil rig safety regulations outdated | NOLA.com
 
liblady said:
they are not responsible for preventing oil spills from rigs, and nothing in your post proves that.
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Ok, it's up to you if you don't want to believe your own eyes..... :roll:

and you have the nerve to call me recalcitrant ??/? :doh
 
Gill said:
Who recommended them and when??
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Here ya go. I've bolded and colored certain text to make it easier for you to spot the important facts.

A common spin in the right wing coverage of BP’s oil spill is a gleeful suggestion that the gulf blowout is Obama’s Katrina.

In truth, culpability for the disaster can more accurately be laid at the Bush Administration’s doorstep. For eight years, George Bush’s presidency infected the oil industry’s oversight agency, the Minerals Management Service, with a septic culture of corruption from which it has yet to recover. Oil patch alumnae in the White House encouraged agency personnel to engineer weakened safeguards that directly contributed to the gulf catastrophe.

The absence of an acoustical regulator — a remotely triggered dead man’s switch that might have closed off BP’s gushing pipe at its sea floor wellhead when the manual switch failed (the fire and explosion on the drilling platform may have prevented the dying workers from pushing the button) — was directly attributable to industry pandering by the Bush team. Acoustic switches are required by law for all offshore rigs off Brazil and in Norway’s North Sea operations. BP uses the devise voluntarily in Britain’s North Sea and elsewhere in the world as do other big players like Holland’s Shell and France’s Total. In 2000, the Minerals Management Service while weighing a comprehensive rulemaking for drilling safety, deemed the acoustic mechanism “essential” and proposed to mandate the mechanism on all gulf rigs.

Then, between January and March of 2001, incoming Vice President Dick Cheney conducted secret meetings with over 100 oil industry officials allowing them to draft a wish list of industry demands to be implemented by the oil friendly administration. Cheney also used that time to re-staff the Minerals Management Service with oil industry toadies including a cabal of his Wyoming carbon cronies. In 2003, newly reconstituted Minerals Management Service genuflected to the oil cartel by recommending the removal of the proposed requirement for acoustic switches. The Minerals Management Service’s 2003 study concluded that “acoustic systems are not recommended because they tend to be very costly.”

The acoustic trigger costs about $500,000. Estimated costs of the oil spill to Gulf Coast residents are now upward of $14 billion to gulf state communities. Bush’s 2005 energy bill officially dropped the requirement for the acoustic switch off devices explaining that the industry’s existing practices are “failsafe.”
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Sex, Lies and Oil Spills – Royal Dutch Shell plc .com

As I have said before, once again the corruption and criminal activity that greatly contributed to this disaster can be traced right back to good old Bush and Cheeney! Scum of the earth, the both of them.
 
lizzie said:
Yeah, that too, but gasoline taxes won't pay for all the damage that has been done along the coast. I expect the price of gas to rise partially out of panic, and partially because of the mental impact that this mess will cause. I have quite a few friends along the gulf coast in Louisiana and Alabama, and a couple of them are in the oil business (specifically as suppliers of oil drilling equipment and service). Maybe they are over-reacting, but they are saying it's significantly worse (the damage) than what we are seeing and hearing on the news.
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Of course it's significantly worse than what we're seeing and hearing on the news....and has been from day one....anyone with a modicum of common sense could determine that this was going to be an epic disaster. Obama...the elegant, articulate genious and his minions, however, took well over a week to create spin and bury his recent call for more drilling...oops. Now the scumbag is "angry"? **** his lying ass.

Perhaps lefties should rethink their stance on nuclear energy....seems drilling just encountered a serious obstical, couple that with their abject hatred for the coal industry, refineries, and damming rivers for hydro....WTF, lefties.....electric cars, solar power and windfarms gonna provide our energy?....jeez...****ing idiots.

Perhaps horse drawn wagon trains will soon be spotted on our commutes....then they'll bitch about **** on the streets.
 
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BP posted over $6 billion in profits last year. It seems they can pay for this mess.

Twice a week the press announces that it's ten times worse than reported.
 
sazerac said:
BP posted over $6 billion in profits last year. It seems they can pay for this mess.

Twice a week the press announces that it's ten times worse than reported.
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My God. At that rate, the oil spill will cover the whole universe by the end of August.
 
ADK_Forever said:
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Not all safety features that were recommended. And YOU know it.
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Which, "safety features", are you referring to and are they safe safety features?

(2)

No one said they did. BP is 100% responsible for this operation the same way a general contractor is responsible for sub-contractors hired.
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Granted, BP is ultimately responsible for all the FUBAR's, but you said in another post that BP actually owned rigs and that the BP owned rigs had more safety features.

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No one is saying that safety feature should be "on" the rig. :roll:
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And, who said that all of these safety features were on this rig?



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Looks like it was their incompetence in their cementing process. It was their cementing that allowed the methane to seep thru causing the explosion. Granted, working with cement at those depths causes many problems not encountered at shallower depths. All the more reason to have "all" recommended safety features installed. BP's decision to not spend that measly $500,000 on that acoustic BOP device now looks very, very short sighted.

Cementing contributed to half of the 39 U.S. blowouts between 1992 and 2006, according to a report that Danenberger co-authored in 2007.

(4) Intentionally disingenuous spins on already established facts. Seriously:confused:
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Again, you're speaking of that which you know nothing about. By the time the gas had reached the production string, the blowout had bypassed the BOP stack. In no way is the casing cement meant to prevent, obstruct, slow, or otherwise curtail a blowout. If the pressure took the path of least resistance, after it had blown past the BOP stack. THAT is an established fact. Welcome to the oil patch, sir.
 
ADK_Forever said:
As I have said before, once again the corruption and criminal activity that greatly contributed to this disaster can be traced right back to good old Bush and Cheeney! Scum of the earth, the both of them.
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That's what it's really all about, ain't it?
 
MyOwnDrum said:
Not much attention has been on the possible cause of the oil rig blast. This article sheds light on a possible cause.


Halliburton Could Be at Fault for Oil Spill - Science and Tech - The Atlantic
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Halliburton could have don everything right and the well still blow out because the BOP gave back false pressure test readings. The BOP was built correctly, but wear and malfunctions were ignored by Transocian and BP. Also, Halliburton did not want to pump out the mud before the 3rd plug was set precisely because it would pose a serious risk to the rig. BP pulled rank.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Hmm - that's conflicting:



So - which one is it - a rig workerrs *employed* by BP who mixed the cement (possibly doing it wrong) which caused the problem?

Or Halliburton itself via it's own employees who were suppose to be trained in this area?

If it needs to be done precisely then the people at Halliburton should handle it directly and with well trained professionals.

But, this article doesn't point out whether it was done directly by Halliburton employees - or by BP employees who are not trained in this area.
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Likely it is a mix of Transocean having rented out a platform with faulty equipment on it.
Haliburton for reasons mentioned and BP for bad or non existant oversight.

BP will undoubtedly pick up the tab, thereafter they will also undoubtedly sue that other two for their misdeeds. IMO I believe that the US under the (sic leadership of obama) Government agencies were also to blame to some degree.
Seem to be missing the YES WE CAN from his rhetoric just lately.
 
apdst said:
Which, "safety features", are you referring to and are they safe safety features?

Granted, BP is ultimately responsible for all the FUBAR's, but you said in another post that BP actually owned rigs and that the BP owned rigs had more safety features.
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The rigs that BP owns all have the acousticly activated BOP feature installed. However, those rigs that BP leases, like the Deepwater Horizon, do not have that safety feature.

And, who said that all of these safety features were on this rig?
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No one that I've ever heard. THAT is the problem.

Again, you're speaking of that which you know nothing about. By the time the gas had reached the production string, the blowout had bypassed the BOP stack. In no way is the casing cement meant to prevent, obstruct, slow, or otherwise curtail a blowout. If the pressure took the path of least resistance, after it had blown past the BOP stack. THAT is an established fact. Welcome to the oil patch, sir.
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No sir, it is you who either doesn't know what the hell you're talking about or are intentionally ignoring the most recent reasons why this disaster happened.

Because BP was in a hurry they were cutting corners by skipping safety features and industry approved steps. The explosion occurred because 1) BP continued on while they knew the BOP was damaged in two areas, one accidentally by their own worker, and thus failed when it needed to work. 2) BP overrode Halliburton's plan to fill the tube with mud instead they drained the mud increasing pressure on those cement plugs directly causing the oil and gas to burst up and out exploding!

I've posted this but, you've probably ignored it because you think you know better. Read and/or listen and educate yourself.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/72881-blowout-deepwater-horizon-disaster.html
 
Jerry said:
Halliburton could have don everything right and the well still blow out because the BOP gave back false pressure test readings. The BOP was built correctly, but wear and malfunctions were ignored by Transocian and BP. Also, Halliburton did not want to pump out the mud before the 3rd plug was set precisely because it would pose a serious risk to the rig. BP pulled rank.
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And WHY did the BOP give back false reading? Could it have been because that supper duper seal was damaged, and BP knew it was damaged? :roll:

Again, you're wrong as usual on this issue. Halliburton did not want to drain the mud because THAT is the safe way to perform that step. IT was BP who chose the unsafe route.

Your ignorance on this issue is embarrassing. For someone who claims he loves to read techie things you're failing miserably in your obvious attempt to defend BP. Read my previous post.
 
ADK_Forever is on ignore. What a crude, abrasive <insert insulting noun of choice>.
 
ADK_Forever said:
And WHY did the BOP give back false reading? Could it have been because that supper duper seal was damaged, and BP knew it was damaged?
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That's what I just said:
Jerry said:
The BOP was built correctly, but wear and malfunctions were ignored by Transocian and BP.
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ADK_Forever said:
Again, you're wrong as usual on this issue.
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If I'm wrong, then since we just agreed, you're wrong also.

ADK_Forever said:
Halliburton did not want to drain the mud because THAT is the safe way to perform that step. IT was BP who chose the unsafe route.
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That's exactly what I just said:
Jerry said:
Halliburton did not want to pump out the mud before the 3rd plug was set precisely because it would pose a serious risk to the rig. BP pulled rank.
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ADK_Forever said:
Your ignorance on this issue is embarrassing.
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Perhaps, but as much so as your inability to read :2wave:

ADK_Forever said:
For someone who claims he loves to read techie things you're failing miserably in your obvious attempt to defend BP. Read my previous post.
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I recommend you do the same of mine.

Here's my post again for your convenience:
Jerry said:
Halliburton could have don everything right and the well still blow out because the BOP gave back false pressure test readings. The BOP was built correctly, but wear and malfunctions were ignored by Transocian and BP. Also, Halliburton did not want to pump out the mud before the 3rd plug was set precisely because it would pose a serious risk to the rig. BP pulled rank.
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SO since apparently in every crisis all roads lead back to Haliburton, does that mean we can and should also lay the blame and responsibility squarely on the doorstep of the individual presiding when Haliburton was first hired and awarded the IDIQ to provide their services for the government? Because...since Bill Clinton is already going to hell...why not add yet another notch to his gun...
 
VanceMack said:
SO since apparently in every crisis all roads lead back to Haliburton, does that mean we can and should also lay the blame and responsibility squarely on the doorstep of the individual presiding when Haliburton was first hired and awarded the IDIQ to provide their services for the government? Because...since Bill Clinton is already going to hell...why not add yet another notch to his gun...
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In this case the road does not lead back to Halliburton.

In this case the road runs by Halliburton on the way to BP and Transocian.
 
Jerry said:
In this case the road does not lead back to Halliburton.

In this case the road runs by Halliburton on the way to BP and Transocian.
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I kinda thought it would be helpful to wait til we actually have some FACTS about the cause and not some continued blowhards spouting rhetoric they have read from OTHER 'learned' blowhards...and the fact is we simply dont know yet.

But since people want to rattle the ghost of Haliburton/Bush/Cheny 's chains, I thought it would be appropriate to remind people that it was in fact Bill Clinton that 'saddled' the US with Haliburton by awarding them an IDIQ contract to manage the rebuilding of Serbia...that country he declared an unconstitutional war on...long before Bush/Cheny
 
VanceMack said:
I kinda thought it would be helpful to wait til we actually have some FACTS about the cause and not some continued blowhards spouting rhetoric they have read from OTHER 'learned' blowhards...and the fact is we simply dont know yet.

But since people want to rattle the ghost of Haliburton/Bush/Cheny 's chains, I thought it would be appropriate to remind people that it was in fact Bill Clinton that 'saddled' the US with Haliburton by awarding them an IDIQ contract to manage the rebuilding of Serbia...that country he declared an unconstitutional war on...long before Bush/Cheny
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Well that's true. We actually do have a lot of facts about how the accident occurred, however.

The funny thing is that ADK provides a lot of good sources, but he'll ignore you or flame you even if you correct your arguments when presented with new information if you don't also pick up his Liberal banner and flame Bush at every turn.
 
Jerry said:
Well that's true. We actually do have a lot of facts about how the accident occurred, however.

The funny thing is that ADK provides a lot of good sources, but he'll ignore you or flame you even if you correct your arguments when presented with new information if you don't also pick up his Liberal banner and flame Bush at every turn.
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So he is one of those blind ideologues that cant (or refuses to) see that republican/democrat...there isnt a dimes difference between the two of them? Well...that makes sense...explains a lot...
 
VanceMack said:
So he is one of those blind ideologues that cant (or refuses to) see that republican/democrat...there isnt a dimes difference between the two of them? Well...that makes sense...explains a lot...
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In ADK's mind, the oil only lands on blue states.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
Not much attention has been on the possible cause of the oil rig blast. This article sheds light on a possible cause.


Halliburton Could Be at Fault for Oil Spill - Science and Tech - The Atlantic
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My father being in the oil business for some 40 years as a drilling consultant and having experienced several blows outs on offshore rigs, you probably have posted the closest reason for this mishap. Now that said, ultimately it is the engineers for BP and Halliburton that F'ed up but, not Halliburton as a whole. Accidents happen especially at depths that is not common in the drilling for offshore oil.

Compare it to a plane crash, most often it's pilot error and not the manufacture of the aircraft.

In no way am I trying to diminish this unprecedented disaster, but looking for blame as if it was intentional will solve nothing. That said, Myowndrum, these comments of mine are not directed at you. All in all blowouts are not common, it very very expensive in every respect in life, equipment and environmental cost, oil companies to go to great lengths in regards to safety. This cause of this disaster will ultimately fall on the shoulders of engineers, whether through negligence, short cutting or which ever.
 
Jerry said:
That's what I just said:
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:3oops: Oops! No excuses. I read too fast and assumed you hadn't changed your stance. :3oops:

A thousand apologies!
 
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