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    Re: Halliburton Could Be at Fault for Oil Spill

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    The problem is that BP holds all the cards as far as all the workers on those rigs are concerned. If they work for Halliburton and HB caves in to BP's demands then they have little say... if they want to keep their jobs that is. Now if one of them had turned BP in for some of those bad decisions... maybe this whole mess would have been avoided. Problem is, we wouldn't know what we avoided and those whistleblowers would be out of luck and a job. BP may have received a fine but, more probably another slap on the wrist.
    Well perhaps times have changed, but drilling engineers and consultants is or was a very tight nit group or at least they were. The reason for this is any drilling engineer with this on their record will never find work in the oil patch again. I have worked on offshore rigs during summer vacations, and overseas at that, with little or no laws or regulations in place. The entire drill crew followed procedures to the letter, short cutting is a very risky business. BTW my father has been and or witnessed blowouts and the reason to much cement as a rule.

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    Re: Halliburton Could Be at Fault for Oil Spill

    BTW ADK, Halliburton is a separate entity, it would be the other way around. That said Haliburton would have nothing to gain by supplying or shorting on materials, as a matter of fact it would lose money. Haliburton is for the most part a supplier and is not involved with the drill operations. BP for the most part contracts the rig and from there the operators will for the most part determine how to drill according to the time schedule set forth. Now that said, I am only recalling how it used to be done, this goes back to the late 70's and mid eighties.

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    Re: Halliburton Could Be at Fault for Oil Spill

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    BTW ADK, Halliburton is a separate entity, it would be the other way around. That said Haliburton would have nothing to gain by supplying or shorting on materials, as a matter of fact it would lose money. Haliburton is for the most part a supplier and is not involved with the drill operations. BP for the most part contracts the rig and from there the operators will for the most part determine how to drill according to the time schedule set forth. Now that said, I am only recalling how it used to be done, this goes back to the late 70's and mid eighties.
    Thanks. BP leases the rig and is in charge of everybody and every company on that rig. Halliburton was hired to, among other things, do the cementing. They wanted to do it the safe, approved, standard way. BP overruled, or convinced them, to do it in a very unsafe way. This caused the explosion. Should HB have stood up to BP? Absolutely. Now they have learned a valuable lesson also.
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    Re: Halliburton Could Be at Fault for Oil Spill

    wrong post
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    Re: Halliburton Could Be at Fault for Oil Spill

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Thanks. BP leases the rig and is in charge of everybody and every company on that rig. Halliburton was hired to, among other things, do the cementing. They wanted to do it the safe, approved, standard way. BP overruled, or convinced them, to do it in a very unsafe way. This caused the explosion. Should HB have stood up to BP? Absolutely. Now they have learned a valuable lesson also.
    Now is this fact or accusations currently, if not I think we should wait on judgment. Looks to me some are looking for a fall guy. I find it hard to believe that Halliburton would go along with this.

    Deep down I have a gut feeling that a drilling engineer miscalculated the cement mixture, this is usually the cause according to those in the know. Non the less I will wait and see for the final outcome. That said BP will be the one that is ultimately responsible regardless.

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    Re: Halliburton Could Be at Fault for Oil Spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Hmm - that's conflicting:



    So - which one is it - a rig workerrs *employed* by BP who mixed the cement (possibly doing it wrong) which caused the problem?

    Or Halliburton itself via it's own employees who were suppose to be trained in this area?

    If it needs to be done precisely then the people at Halliburton should handle it directly and with well trained professionals.

    But, this article doesn't point out whether it was done directly by Halliburton employees - or by BP employees who are not trained in this area.
    I might can help you out here. Floorhands, (employees of the drilling rig owners) do most of the grunt work for the service hands (ie: Halliburton, Schlumberger, National Well Control, etc. Casing and stringline crews usually bring in their own workers though.)

    Truth is, in most cases, the rig's driller and floorhands are more experienced and capable than the service hands being sent out to the rigs. The service hands are mostly there to see that all the equipment needed gets out to the rig and that the equipment the producer bought or leased from them, makes the grade. It's a liability thing.

    If Halliburton signed off on the test, the responsibility falls directly in their lap regardless of who actually tightened the bolts or whose pump, pumped the mud. They are paid well to be liable.

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    Re: Halliburton Could Be at Fault for Oil Spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I might can help you out here. Floorhands, (employees of the drilling rig owners) do most of the grunt work for the service hands (ie: Halliburton, Schlumberger, National Well Control, etc. Casing and stringline crews usually bring in their own workers though.)

    Truth is, in most cases, the rig's driller and floorhands are more experienced and capable than the service hands being sent out to the rigs. The service hands are mostly there to see that all the equipment needed gets out to the rig and that the equipment the producer bought or leased from them, makes the grade. It's a liability thing.

    If Halliburton signed off on the test, the responsibility falls directly in their lap regardless of who actually tightened the bolts or whose pump, pumped the mud. They are paid well to be liable.
    The drilling engineers are the ones who give the final go ahead, and usually two are on board at all times on offshore rigs, along with a mud engineer. These guys are usually employed by the drilling contractor hired by BP. Here is a example of on summer working on a drill rig.
    Oil company...Texaco
    Drilling company...Aramco
    Drilling consulting...Dicon
    Drill ship...DMS Dalmahoy..Scottish registered
    Owner of the rig...beats me
    Now the one on this instance with the final say so was the Captain of the Drill ship, who had nothing to do with any oil company or drilling contractor.

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    Re: Halliburton Could Be at Fault for Oil Spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I might can help you out here. Floorhands, (employees of the drilling rig owners) do most of the grunt work for the service hands (ie: Halliburton, Schlumberger, National Well Control, etc. Casing and stringline crews usually bring in their own workers though.)

    Truth is, in most cases, the rig's driller and floorhands are more experienced and capable than the service hands being sent out to the rigs. The service hands are mostly there to see that all the equipment needed gets out to the rig and that the equipment the producer bought or leased from them, makes the grade. It's a liability thing.

    If Halliburton signed off on the test, the responsibility falls directly in their lap regardless of who actually tightened the bolts or whose pump, pumped the mud. They are paid well to be liable.
    BTW, the Driller has a lot of weight with his input with the engineers.

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    Re: Halliburton Could Be at Fault for Oil Spill

    Drilling engineers? Do you mean Petroleum Engineers? If so, then yes, they do HELP run the show for the company leasing the rig. On the rig, however, the top-dog, representing the company who hired the rig, is usually referred to as the "Company Man." He may, or may not, be an "engineer."

    Next in line is the "Tool Pusher." He is responsible for the rig and all it's employees.

    However, they hire the services of countless service companies, to do various jobs throughout the process. And if the process related to their service or their product/equipment, is defective, THEY are responsible.

    I have worked offshore for years.

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    Re: Halliburton Could Be at Fault for Oil Spill

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    BTW, the Driller has a lot of weight with his input with the engineers.
    Driller reports to the Tool Pusher. But, you're right as far as everyone working as a team.

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