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    Re: Election Year Terror Question: To Mirandize or Not?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    If convicted of the crime he should be interrogated using "harsh" methods.
    Well, I am happy to see you don't give a **** about the constitution. I do hope to never see you arguing in any 2nd amendment threads about how important the document is.

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    Re: Election Year Terror Question: To Mirandize or Not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well, I am happy to see you don't give a **** about the constitution. I do hope to never see you arguing in any 2nd amendment threads about how important the document is.
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    Re: Election Year Terror Question: To Mirandize or Not?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Innocent lives are worth more than one fools feelings and rights. If convicted of the crime he should be interrogated using "harsh" methods.
    If we are going to act like terrorists why bother fighting them?
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    Re: Election Year Terror Question: To Mirandize or Not?

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    Election Year Terror Question: To Mirandize or Not? - Swampland - TIME.com



    "I know he's an American citizen but still." Really mister King. Please continue to explain in which circumstances you think I shouldn't have any rights. Also, go **** yourself.

    Same to you, McCain.
    Too bad this guy is an American.
    Then the questions would be:

    1. Do we waterboard him if he behaved uncooperatively?
    2. Do we send him to Gitmo?

    Now the question is:

    3. Should he get the death penalty?
    4. Or... does the Obama administration use him as another tool to assault Bush?

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    Re: Election Year Terror Question: To Mirandize or Not?

    He's a US Citizen he is entitled to Miranda rights regardless if anyone likes it or not.
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    Re: Election Year Terror Question: To Mirandize or Not?

    I could simply state "When done wiping your ass with my constitution, remember to flush twice. "

    But that wouldn't address the points, be intellectually dishonest of me, and might get me banned from DP, so I'll put more thought into it.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So people should die?
    Ensuring the constitution is upheld doesn't mean you WANT people to die, nor that doing this increases those chances per-se.

    What about the pursuit of life liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?
    [emphasis mine]

    Exactly,

    LIBERTY. The guy is a U.S CITIZEN, AND HAS RIGHTS.

    I don't care what he has done, hasn't done, been accused of, whatever.

    Our penal system, our laws - including RIGHTS to the accused citizen MUST be upheld if we want to have any shred of true moral high ground, IMO.


    Innocent lives are worth more than one fools feelings and rights. If convicted of the crime he should be interrogated using "harsh" methods.
    Innocent lives never justify completely throwing away the constitutional rights of a man accused of a high crime.

    How is this attitude any different in terms of foolishness than that which allows people urinating in public, or two underage lovers [or the classic girl 1 year under consenting age with 18/19 yr old boyfriend] to have their lives ruined by being placed on the sex offender list?
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    Re: Election Year Terror Question: To Mirandize or Not?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Too bad this guy is an American.
    Then the questions would be:

    1. Do we waterboard him if he behaved uncooperatively?
    2. Do we send him to Gitmo?

    Now the question is:

    3. Should he get the death penalty?
    4. Or... does the Obama administration use him as another tool to assault Bush?

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    "Too bad" he's an American? Why? Because you want to torture someone? At least you're honest about it. Assault Bush? If anything, captured terrorists are being used to assault the CURRENT administration. What reality have you been living in?

    Too bad you're an American. You stand for everything we're supposed to be against.
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    Re: Election Year Terror Question: To Mirandize or Not?

    The price of citizenship is to adhere to the principles of your country, sometimes that means people have to die, but that is true patriotism and as I said, the price of citizenship, citizenship must garuntee the same protections for all, or it does not work.

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    Re: Election Year Terror Question: To Mirandize or Not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well, I am happy to see you don't give a **** about the constitution. I do hope to never see you arguing in any 2nd amendment threads about how important the document is.
    I care about the constitution. However, I think we should do all we can to save American lives. Everyone deserves their miranda rights, but if they know something that can save lives we should extract it. I care about the constitution, but I don't give a **** about the criminals who know information that can save lives. I am undecided whether or not we should use harsh interrogation methods to US citizens, but for military combatants we definitely should.
    Last edited by digsbe; 05-13-10 at 06:49 PM.

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    Re: Election Year Terror Question: To Mirandize or Not?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I care about the constitution. However, I think we should do all we can to save American lives. Everyone deserves their miranda rights, but if they know something that can save lives we should extract it. I care about the constitution, but I don't give a **** about the criminals who know information that can save lives. I am undecided whether or not we should use harsh interrogation methods to US citizens, but for military combatants we definitely should.
    Can't happen in this case. They guy's an American citizen... whether or not he should be is a different thing, but he was and is. He was also arrested on U.S. soil and perpetrated crimes on U.S. soil. He's got to be treated the same way everyone else is treated and he has to be read the Miranda upon arrest. No choice - had to be done and I can't think of a similar situation where it wouldn't apply.

    There are cases where someone should fall on a sword and illegally question, interrogate or dare I say, waterboard. This wasn't one of those cases.
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