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Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Do we hear ghosts of Katrina? :ssst:


Why wasn't these fire booms on hand like the federal government had planned?


What is the potential damage from this failure?
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so clinton, bush and obama are responsible? i like it.
 
bicycleman said:
The only thing I care about regarding the oil is it belongs in my truck, not on the coastline, and if Obama had got off the stick, it would be in my truck.
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How exactly did Obama cause this disaster?

Come on, let's hear it. You guys must have come up with something creative by now. It's inevitable.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Really? Is that what I am doing? As one who loves gulf coast seafood, This is a travesty to me. As one who has ties to folks in pensecola, biloxi, and New Orleans, this hits rather personally...
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You must have been awful pissed at Bush about Katrina then.

Were you?
 
liblady said:
so clinton, bush and obama are responsible? i like it.
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Pretty much, if they allowed drilling and these fire booms were the contigency plan, they ALL should have made damn sure we had at least one. :doh


that said, this one is on Obama, as it was on his watch, and his plan, and his responsibility...


had it happened under those previous admins, then it would have been theres.


Why did it take 12 days for a federal response? And why have those on the left not applied the same standard they gave bush's time to respond with Katrina?
 
misterman said:
You must have been awful pissed at Bush about Katrina then.

Were you?
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Actually I was pissed over the fact we had insigificant levies, Pissed that Naggins and Blanco dropped the ball, Pissed that FEMA who shouldn't exist in the first place failed....


yeah, I was pissed at everyone, though I didn't mouth foam like you over Bush being the main cuplrit here.


It was a catastrophic failure of Government on all levels. Now do you care to critisize this current administration or are you doing your typical derailment tactics to avoid critisizing your man?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
But we had a plan, and that plan was not implemented.


The response from Katrina was a first for us as well....


Now do I think if this had happened under Bush it would have been handled better? I would suggest probably not. That said, the buck here needs to stop with this Administration and they need to make the correct choices to fix this problem... Some of your cohorts here at DP are actually more concerned with attacking those on the right and libertarians for suggesting the "all hands on deck" approach moreso than critisizing the Obama Administration for 12 days of delay in responding to this disaster....

they dropped the ball on this, and the hypocrisy of those who screamed at bush over Katrina is large enough on its own to contain this spill, It's only a bit smaller than the Good Reverend's ego. :ssst:
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Well, unless Obama ordered the fire booms removed from the Gulf of Mexico, I doubt he was aware of them before this disaster. The plan has been in effect since 1994 I believe. Obviously no one thought it was an issue before now.

Obama didn't wait 12 days to respond. It probably took 12 days for the experts to decide what the best way to handle this was. In fact, it took his critics 12 days to point this out. I've heard lots of talk about domes and burning the oil though. So I find it unfair to lay this at Obama's feet after all the other hands on deck didn't suggest it either.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Pretty much, if they allowed drilling and these fire booms were the contigency plan, they ALL should have made damn sure we had at least one. :doh


that said, this one is on Obama, as it was on his watch, and his plan, and his responsibility...


had it happened under those previous admins, then it would have been theres.


Why did it take 12 days for a federal response? And why have those on the left not applied the same standard they gave bush's time to respond with Katrina?
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rev, i like you. but you are posting obvious, discredited lies intended only to bash obama. i'm not playing.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Well, unless Obama ordered the fire booms removed from the Gulf of Mexico, I doubt he was aware of them before this disaster. The plan has been in effect since 1994 I believe. Obviously no one thought it was an issue before now.
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This sounds like a ghost of Katrina to me. Same argument, just the other side now. :shrug:


Obama didn't wait 12 days to respond. It probably took 12 days for the experts to decide what the best way to handle this was. In fact, it took his critics 12 days to point this out. I've heard lots of talk about domes and burning the oil though. So I find it unfair to lay this at Obama's feet after all the other hands on deck didn't suggest it either.
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There was a plan, they didn't even know they didn't have these booms until when? come on....


and technically wouldn't it take 12 days to respond that someone didn't respond for 12 days? :ssst:



BP started working on domes day one, as of this morning one of three have been capped.
 
liblady said:
rev, i like you. but you are posting obvious, discredited lies intended only to bash obama. i'm not playing.
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Lie? What lies? Quote and link.



I guess the Good Reverend is more of an environmentalist than you. :shrug:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Funny, I never heard that... Besides with no fire booms available, The Obama Administration has failed at least as much as the Bush administration has failed with Katrina.
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You're really reaching here, lol.

The weather has been terrible. That's why the clean up has been going so slow. I'm in louisiana and am following this closely not only because of jsut general interest about my states coastline, but also because I might have to cancel my honeymoon in Pensacola in Pensacola in two months :(

Though I think we're stretching it a bit, as it's not always possible to have every piece of equipment on site that you could ever possibly need in case of any random emergency. But for an oil spill, which doesn't seem amazingly unlikely although they are uncommon, they should have had a few spread around our shores. It really makes sense. They screwed up on that account. I don't think the President has time to go over every single plan of action ever made and make sure that everything is accounted for, but whoever he appointed gets the blame, in which he has to share, just like Bush gets blame for appointing "Heck of a job, Brownie" to head FEMA.

But with that said, comparing it to Katrina is exaggerating this by a metric ****-ton. It's a laughable comparison. All it does is show that conservatives have been sitting back since Obama started his presidency trying to find something to make themselves feel better for just having elected one of the worst Presidents ever. You comparing this to Katrina is good evidence of that.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
This sounds like a ghost of Katrina to me. Same argument, just the other side now. :shrug:
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I can't wait for the "heckuva job Brownie" moment. :lol:




Reverend_Hellh0und said:
There was a plan, they didn't even know they didn't have these booms until when? come on....


and technically wouldn't it take 12 days to respond that someone didn't respond for 12 days? :ssst:



BP started working on domes day one, as of this morning one of three have been capped.
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So did BP request fire booms? :ssst:

What would you call it if someone waited 12 days to propose the proper response/remind them of the 1994 contingency plan just so they could attack Obama for waiting 12 days?

Why didn't BP have fire booms?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
This sounds like a ghost of Katrina to me. Same argument, just the other side now. :shrug:
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Exactly. Maybe that's legitimate, maybe you're just playing political games.

Either way - if it's the same argument, then it's the same defense against it too. So the hypocrisy thing can go both ways. If someone thinks Obama is at fault, then they may have to admit that Bush was. If they continue to defend Bush, then they may have to accept the defense of Obama.

Don't fall into that trap.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
I can't wait for the "heckuva job Brownie" moment. :lol:
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Racist!!!!!! :2razz::2razz:




So did BP request fire booms? :ssst:
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I don't know, it was a 1994 plan that was the responsibility of the Coast Guard?

Fire booms neglected in spill response? - Environment- msnbc.com



What would you call it if someone waited 12 days to propose the proper response/remind them of the 1994 contingency plan just so they could attack Obama for waiting 12 days?
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Huh? Rephrase please.



Why didn't BP have fire booms?
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Fire booms need boats, and I think the 1994 plan called for this to be the responsibility of the coast guard.


but I'm with you. If you want to drill in the gulf you better be damn sure you have the ability to contain the spill without the help of the US government. Sadly that's not reality though.
 
misterman said:
Exactly. Maybe that's legitimate, maybe you're just playing political games.

Either way - if it's the same argument, then it's the same defense against it too. So the hypocrisy thing can go both ways. If someone thinks Obama is at fault, then they may have to admit that Bush was. If they continue to defend Bush, then they may have to accept the defense of Obama.

Don't fall into that trap.
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Please stop. I know it's impossible for you to critisize your god king, but this ambiguos nonsense really doesn't serve any purpose. :shrug:
 
misterman said:
How exactly did Obama cause this disaster?

Come on, let's hear it. You guys must have come up with something creative by now. It's inevitable.
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He caused it the same way Bush's anti-environment policies caused Katrina.

You're so smart. Tell us why Obama was so late getting excited about the oil spill.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Please stop. I know it's impossible for you to critisize your god king, but this ambiguos nonsense really doesn't serve any purpose. :shrug:
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Wow, I treat you like an adult for once, and you come back with this. I should have known better.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Lie? What lies? Quote and link.



I guess the Good Reverend is more of an environmentalist than you. :shrug:
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obama didn't visit the site for 12 days.....he did, however, respond. as did other officials. that's the lie.
 
roughdraft274 said:
You're really reaching here, lol.

The weather has been terrible. That's why the clean up has been going so slow. I'm in louisiana and am following this closely not only because of jsut general interest about my states coastline, but also because I might have to cancel my honeymoon in Pensacola in Pensacola in two months :(
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You live in LA and your honeymoon is in pensecola? :shock:



If you really live there and that's your concern, that should be the least of your concern, there is a coming storm that's going to make the Katrina disaster seem cheap. not to mention the destruction of an entire fishing industry....



Though I think we're stretching it a bit, as it's not always possible to have every piece of equipment on site that you could ever possibly need in case of any random emergency. But for an oil spill, which doesn't seem amazingly unlikely although they are uncommon, they should have had a few spread around our shores. It really makes sense. They screwed up on that account. I don't think the President has time to go over every single plan of action ever made and make sure that everything is accounted for, but whoever he appointed gets the blame, in which he has to share, just like Bush gets blame for appointing "Heck of a job, Brownie" to head FEMA.
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If you read what I have been posting, I cast blame on three administrations for this, however the buck stops with the current one. Just like it did with Katrina. That said, if the 1994 plan calls for fire booms then they should have said fire booms in the garage, no?



But with that said, comparing it to Katrina is exaggerating this by a metric ****-ton. It's a laughable comparison. All it does is show that conservatives have been sitting back since Obama started his presidency trying to find something to make themselves feel better for just having elected one of the worst Presidents ever. You comparing this to Katrina is good evidence of that.
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Actually your refusal to critisize Obama demonstrates just the opposite. :shrug:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I don't know, it was a 1994 plan that was the responsibility of the Coast Guard?

Fire booms neglected in spill response? - Environment- msnbc.com
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I read that link already. It appears that is the case. Why is this just now being brought to America's attention? Either this contingency plan was buried in Washington D.C.'s attic or the media and loyal opposition also failed us.




Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Huh? Rephrase please.
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If the solution was obvious, why didn't this come out sooner?




Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Fire booms need boats, and I think the 1994 plan called for this to be the responsibility of the coast guard.


but I'm with you. If you want to drill in the gulf you better be damn sure you have the ability to contain the spill without the help of the US government. Sadly that's not reality though.
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I think there may be some confusion as to who's responsibility it is between the govt. and BP. I've heard for a while that it's the oil company's responsibility and now this comes to light. Beaurocracy has bitten us in the ass.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
You live in LA and your honeymoon is in pensecola? :shock:
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The problem with that is?

I offered up Hawaii for a week and she wanted Pensacola for two weeks.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
If you really live there and that's your concern, that should be the least of your concern, there is a coming storm that's going to make the Katrina disaster seem cheap. not to mention the destruction of an entire fishing industry....
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I said that it was the general interest of my states coastline and my honeymoon. I don't know how you missed that first point unless you just did it on purpose, which seems likelier and likelier every time I talk to you.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
If you read what I have been posting, I cast blame on three administrations for this, however the buck stops with the current one. Just like it did with Katrina. That said, if the 1994 plan calls for fire booms then they should have said fire booms in the garage, no?
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That's exactly what i said. I said they should have had fire booms and that even though no one's really made it a priority they should have had them. Did you read my post at all?

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Actually your refusal to critisize Obama demonstrates just the opposite. :shrug:
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I criticized him. I just think you're comparison to Katrina is unwarranted. As is the idea that it took them 12 days to respond. That's just a lie, plain and simple.

If you don't want to actually read what I wrote and then respond then i can see that talking with you is a waste of time.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
I read that link already. It appears that is the case. Why is this just now being brought to America's attention? Either this contingency plan was buried in Washington D.C.'s attic or the media and loyal opposition also failed us.
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This is speculating, but I think if it's one of the missions of the Coast Guard, they should have been on top of it....



As far as bringing it to our attention, The media, imo is not as rabid in its hatred of Obama as it was of Bush, plus this is a slower emerging disaster.... Katrina hit and the media went into hysterics. This disaster hasn't really "hit" yet.



If the solution was obvious, why didn't this come out sooner?
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Again, Huh?




I think there may be some confusion as to who's responsibility it is between the govt. and BP. I've heard for a while that it's the oil company's responsibility and now this comes to light. Beaurocracy has bitten us in the ass.
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I don't think there was confusion, there was a plan 1994 plan. The plan has failed, or is failing.


I am pulling for a miracle here and IF this adminstration can get these booms in place and mitigate the damage, I'll be the first to congradulate them. However, this is going to be highly unlikley. Those 12 days I think were key to containment.
 
roughdraft274 said:
I said that it was the general interest of my states coastline and my honeymoon. I don't know how you missed that first point unless you just did it on purpose, which seems likelier and likelier every time I talk to you.
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It just seemed your honeymoon was a little more than "general interest" :shrug:


That's exactly what i said. I said they should have had fire booms and that even though no one's really made it a priority they should have had them. Did you read my post at all?
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You excused the President. :shrug:

I criticized him. I just think you're comparison to Katrina is unwarranted. As is the idea that it took them 12 days to respond. That's just a lie, plain and simple.
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You did? I must have missed that. I linked to the timeline I believe as well. :shrug:


If you don't want to actually read what I wrote and then respond then i can see that talking with you is a waste of time.
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I read and responded to exactly what you posted. You can cry about it or we can have a rational discussion. Your call my friend. :thumbs:
 
Three separate administrations dropped the ball on this one. Powerline was the first national blog to report this based on an article in the Mobile, Alabama Press Register. They quote the NOAA oil spill administrator that helped formulate the plan:
[F]ormer National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration oil spill response coordinator Ron Gouguet -- who helped craft the 1994 plan -- told the Press-Register that officials had pre-approval for burning. "The whole reason the plan was created was so we could pull the trigger right away."

Gouguet speculated that burning could have captured 95 percent of the oil as it spilled from the well.
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Power Line - Was the Response Adequate? Part III
 
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