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    Re: Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

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    Please stop. I know it's impossible for you to critisize your god king, but this ambiguos nonsense really doesn't serve any purpose.
    Wow, I treat you like an adult for once, and you come back with this. I should have known better.

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    Re: Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Lie? What lies? Quote and link.



    I guess the Good Reverend is more of an environmentalist than you.
    obama didn't visit the site for 12 days.....he did, however, respond. as did other officials. that's the lie.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    You're really reaching here, lol.

    The weather has been terrible. That's why the clean up has been going so slow. I'm in louisiana and am following this closely not only because of jsut general interest about my states coastline, but also because I might have to cancel my honeymoon in Pensacola in Pensacola in two months

    You live in LA and your honeymoon is in pensecola?



    If you really live there and that's your concern, that should be the least of your concern, there is a coming storm that's going to make the Katrina disaster seem cheap. not to mention the destruction of an entire fishing industry....



    Though I think we're stretching it a bit, as it's not always possible to have every piece of equipment on site that you could ever possibly need in case of any random emergency. But for an oil spill, which doesn't seem amazingly unlikely although they are uncommon, they should have had a few spread around our shores. It really makes sense. They screwed up on that account. I don't think the President has time to go over every single plan of action ever made and make sure that everything is accounted for, but whoever he appointed gets the blame, in which he has to share, just like Bush gets blame for appointing "Heck of a job, Brownie" to head FEMA.

    If you read what I have been posting, I cast blame on three administrations for this, however the buck stops with the current one. Just like it did with Katrina. That said, if the 1994 plan calls for fire booms then they should have said fire booms in the garage, no?



    But with that said, comparing it to Katrina is exaggerating this by a metric ****-ton. It's a laughable comparison. All it does is show that conservatives have been sitting back since Obama started his presidency trying to find something to make themselves feel better for just having elected one of the worst Presidents ever. You comparing this to Katrina is good evidence of that.

    Actually your refusal to critisize Obama demonstrates just the opposite.
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    Re: Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    He caused it the same way Bush's anti-environment policies caused Katrina.
    Details please.

    You're so smart. Tell us why Obama was so late getting excited about the oil spill.
    "Getting excited?"

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    Re: Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    obama didn't visit the site for 12 days.....he did, however, respond. as did other officials. that's the lie.


    What was his response?


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    Re: Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I don't know, it was a 1994 plan that was the responsibility of the Coast Guard?

    Fire booms neglected in spill response? - Environment- msnbc.com
    I read that link already. It appears that is the case. Why is this just now being brought to America's attention? Either this contingency plan was buried in Washington D.C.'s attic or the media and loyal opposition also failed us.




    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Huh? Rephrase please.

    If the solution was obvious, why didn't this come out sooner?




    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Fire booms need boats, and I think the 1994 plan called for this to be the responsibility of the coast guard.


    but I'm with you. If you want to drill in the gulf you better be damn sure you have the ability to contain the spill without the help of the US government. Sadly that's not reality though.
    I think there may be some confusion as to who's responsibility it is between the govt. and BP. I've heard for a while that it's the oil company's responsibility and now this comes to light. Beaurocracy has bitten us in the ass.
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    Re: Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You live in LA and your honeymoon is in pensecola?
    The problem with that is?

    I offered up Hawaii for a week and she wanted Pensacola for two weeks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    If you really live there and that's your concern, that should be the least of your concern, there is a coming storm that's going to make the Katrina disaster seem cheap. not to mention the destruction of an entire fishing industry....
    I said that it was the general interest of my states coastline and my honeymoon. I don't know how you missed that first point unless you just did it on purpose, which seems likelier and likelier every time I talk to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    If you read what I have been posting, I cast blame on three administrations for this, however the buck stops with the current one. Just like it did with Katrina. That said, if the 1994 plan calls for fire booms then they should have said fire booms in the garage, no?
    That's exactly what i said. I said they should have had fire booms and that even though no one's really made it a priority they should have had them. Did you read my post at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Actually your refusal to critisize Obama demonstrates just the opposite.
    I criticized him. I just think you're comparison to Katrina is unwarranted. As is the idea that it took them 12 days to respond. That's just a lie, plain and simple.

    If you don't want to actually read what I wrote and then respond then i can see that talking with you is a waste of time.

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    Re: Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I read that link already. It appears that is the case. Why is this just now being brought to America's attention? Either this contingency plan was buried in Washington D.C.'s attic or the media and loyal opposition also failed us.



    This is speculating, but I think if it's one of the missions of the Coast Guard, they should have been on top of it....



    As far as bringing it to our attention, The media, imo is not as rabid in its hatred of Obama as it was of Bush, plus this is a slower emerging disaster.... Katrina hit and the media went into hysterics. This disaster hasn't really "hit" yet.




    If the solution was obvious, why didn't this come out sooner?

    Again, Huh?




    I think there may be some confusion as to who's responsibility it is between the govt. and BP. I've heard for a while that it's the oil company's responsibility and now this comes to light. Beaurocracy has bitten us in the ass.


    I don't think there was confusion, there was a plan 1994 plan. The plan has failed, or is failing.


    I am pulling for a miracle here and IF this adminstration can get these booms in place and mitigate the damage, I'll be the first to congradulate them. However, this is going to be highly unlikley. Those 12 days I think were key to containment.
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    Re: Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I said that it was the general interest of my states coastline and my honeymoon. I don't know how you missed that first point unless you just did it on purpose, which seems likelier and likelier every time I talk to you.

    It just seemed your honeymoon was a little more than "general interest"


    That's exactly what i said. I said they should have had fire booms and that even though no one's really made it a priority they should have had them. Did you read my post at all?

    You excused the President.

    I criticized him. I just think you're comparison to Katrina is unwarranted. As is the idea that it took them 12 days to respond. That's just a lie, plain and simple.


    You did? I must have missed that. I linked to the timeline I believe as well.


    If you don't want to actually read what I wrote and then respond then i can see that talking with you is a waste of time.

    I read and responded to exactly what you posted. You can cry about it or we can have a rational discussion. Your call my friend.
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    Re: Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

    Three separate administrations dropped the ball on this one. Powerline was the first national blog to report this based on an article in the Mobile, Alabama Press Register. They quote the NOAA oil spill administrator that helped formulate the plan:
    [F]ormer National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration oil spill response coordinator Ron Gouguet -- who helped craft the 1994 plan -- told the Press-Register that officials had pre-approval for burning. "The whole reason the plan was created was so we could pull the trigger right away."

    Gouguet speculated that burning could have captured 95 percent of the oil as it spilled from the well.
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