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    Re: Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    But we had a plan, and that plan was not implemented.


    The response from Katrina was a first for us as well....


    Now do I think if this had happened under Bush it would have been handled better? I would suggest probably not. That said, the buck here needs to stop with this Administration and they need to make the correct choices to fix this problem... Some of your cohorts here at DP are actually more concerned with attacking those on the right and libertarians for suggesting the "all hands on deck" approach moreso than critisizing the Obama Administration for 12 days of delay in responding to this disaster....

    they dropped the ball on this, and the hypocrisy of those who screamed at bush over Katrina is large enough on its own to contain this spill, It's only a bit smaller than the Good Reverend's ego.
    Well, unless Obama ordered the fire booms removed from the Gulf of Mexico, I doubt he was aware of them before this disaster. The plan has been in effect since 1994 I believe. Obviously no one thought it was an issue before now.

    Obama didn't wait 12 days to respond. It probably took 12 days for the experts to decide what the best way to handle this was. In fact, it took his critics 12 days to point this out. I've heard lots of talk about domes and burning the oil though. So I find it unfair to lay this at Obama's feet after all the other hands on deck didn't suggest it either.
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    Re: Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Pretty much, if they allowed drilling and these fire booms were the contigency plan, they ALL should have made damn sure we had at least one.


    that said, this one is on Obama, as it was on his watch, and his plan, and his responsibility...


    had it happened under those previous admins, then it would have been theres.


    Why did it take 12 days for a federal response? And why have those on the left not applied the same standard they gave bush's time to respond with Katrina?
    rev, i like you. but you are posting obvious, discredited lies intended only to bash obama. i'm not playing.

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    Re: Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Well, unless Obama ordered the fire booms removed from the Gulf of Mexico, I doubt he was aware of them before this disaster. The plan has been in effect since 1994 I believe. Obviously no one thought it was an issue before now.

    This sounds like a ghost of Katrina to me. Same argument, just the other side now.


    Obama didn't wait 12 days to respond. It probably took 12 days for the experts to decide what the best way to handle this was. In fact, it took his critics 12 days to point this out. I've heard lots of talk about domes and burning the oil though. So I find it unfair to lay this at Obama's feet after all the other hands on deck didn't suggest it either.


    There was a plan, they didn't even know they didn't have these booms until when? come on....


    and technically wouldn't it take 12 days to respond that someone didn't respond for 12 days?



    BP started working on domes day one, as of this morning one of three have been capped.
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    Re: Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

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    rev, i like you. but you are posting obvious, discredited lies intended only to bash obama. i'm not playing.



    Lie? What lies? Quote and link.



    I guess the Good Reverend is more of an environmentalist than you.
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    Re: Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Funny, I never heard that... Besides with no fire booms available, The Obama Administration has failed at least as much as the Bush administration has failed with Katrina.
    You're really reaching here, lol.

    The weather has been terrible. That's why the clean up has been going so slow. I'm in louisiana and am following this closely not only because of jsut general interest about my states coastline, but also because I might have to cancel my honeymoon in Pensacola in Pensacola in two months

    Though I think we're stretching it a bit, as it's not always possible to have every piece of equipment on site that you could ever possibly need in case of any random emergency. But for an oil spill, which doesn't seem amazingly unlikely although they are uncommon, they should have had a few spread around our shores. It really makes sense. They screwed up on that account. I don't think the President has time to go over every single plan of action ever made and make sure that everything is accounted for, but whoever he appointed gets the blame, in which he has to share, just like Bush gets blame for appointing "Heck of a job, Brownie" to head FEMA.

    But with that said, comparing it to Katrina is exaggerating this by a metric ****-ton. It's a laughable comparison. All it does is show that conservatives have been sitting back since Obama started his presidency trying to find something to make themselves feel better for just having elected one of the worst Presidents ever. You comparing this to Katrina is good evidence of that.

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    Re: Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This sounds like a ghost of Katrina to me. Same argument, just the other side now.
    I can't wait for the "heckuva job Brownie" moment.




    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    There was a plan, they didn't even know they didn't have these booms until when? come on....


    and technically wouldn't it take 12 days to respond that someone didn't respond for 12 days?



    BP started working on domes day one, as of this morning one of three have been capped.
    So did BP request fire booms?

    What would you call it if someone waited 12 days to propose the proper response/remind them of the 1994 contingency plan just so they could attack Obama for waiting 12 days?

    Why didn't BP have fire booms?
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    Re: Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This sounds like a ghost of Katrina to me. Same argument, just the other side now.
    Exactly. Maybe that's legitimate, maybe you're just playing political games.

    Either way - if it's the same argument, then it's the same defense against it too. So the hypocrisy thing can go both ways. If someone thinks Obama is at fault, then they may have to admit that Bush was. If they continue to defend Bush, then they may have to accept the defense of Obama.

    Don't fall into that trap.

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    Re: Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I can't wait for the "heckuva job Brownie" moment.

    Racist!!!!!!




    So did BP request fire booms?


    I don't know, it was a 1994 plan that was the responsibility of the Coast Guard?

    Fire booms neglected in spill response? - Environment- msnbc.com



    What would you call it if someone waited 12 days to propose the proper response/remind them of the 1994 contingency plan just so they could attack Obama for waiting 12 days?

    Huh? Rephrase please.






    Why didn't BP have fire booms?


    Fire booms need boats, and I think the 1994 plan called for this to be the responsibility of the coast guard.


    but I'm with you. If you want to drill in the gulf you better be damn sure you have the ability to contain the spill without the help of the US government. Sadly that's not reality though.
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    Re: Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Exactly. Maybe that's legitimate, maybe you're just playing political games.

    Either way - if it's the same argument, then it's the same defense against it too. So the hypocrisy thing can go both ways. If someone thinks Obama is at fault, then they may have to admit that Bush was. If they continue to defend Bush, then they may have to accept the defense of Obama.

    Don't fall into that trap.



    Please stop. I know it's impossible for you to critisize your god king, but this ambiguos nonsense really doesn't serve any purpose.
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    Re: Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    How exactly did Obama cause this disaster?

    Come on, let's hear it. You guys must have come up with something creative by now. It's inevitable.
    He caused it the same way Bush's anti-environment policies caused Katrina.

    You're so smart. Tell us why Obama was so late getting excited about the oil spill.

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