View Poll Results: In regard to this case......

Voters
20. You may not vote on this poll
  • The accused is guilty of possessing child porn

    0 0%
  • The accused is not guilty

    18 90.00%
  • There was prosecutorial misconduct

    13 65.00%
  • Prosecutors were only trying to convict a child molester

    3 15.00%
  • The accused is a potential child molester

    4 20.00%
  • It should be illegal for young-looking women to make porn

    2 10.00%
  • The prosecutor should be charged with a crime

    7 35.00%
  • Sometimes, there is injustice in America

    12 60.00%
  • America still has the best system of justice in the world

    4 20.00%
  • Don't know/No opinion/This is just to complicated to figure out

    0 0%
Multiple Choice Poll.
Page 1 of 6 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 54

Thread: When does porn become child porn

  1. #1
    Slayer of the DP Newsbot
    danarhea's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:27 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    39,746

    When does porn become child porn

    First of all, watch this video, which appeared on Russia Today, for background on this issue:

    [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDrHfuLC4H8"]YouTube- Porn star saves dude from 20 years in prison[/nomedia]


    OK, there are huge problems with the prosecution, which entered a "fact of evidence" that the porn star was no older than 12, when she was actually 18 at the time she made the video. The man was clearly being railroaded by the court.

    But let me also ask this: As young as she appears, is the man who had the video on his computer a potential child molester? Should child porn laws include watching women who look like children? It's pretty complicated, so answer the poll, and let's see what we come up with here.

    Note: This poll is multiple choice.
    Last edited by danarhea; 05-02-10 at 11:43 AM.
    The ghost of Jack Kevorkian for President's Physician: 2016

  2. #2
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last Seen
    10-26-10 @ 06:34 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    24,978

    Re: When does porn become child porn

    This is where the hypocrisy begins to shine through.
    Is it "against the law" to be turned on by women who "look like children"?
    First, define your terms.
    Are you referring to petite, slender, small-breasted women who shave their pubic hair and have very young faces?
    Because that would describe a good segment of the porn market- perhaps 10%.

    Or are you referring to women of any size or shape who run around in pig-tails, holding raggedy-ann dolls and sucking on lollipops and claiming that they are children and that they want to **** grown men?
    Because that's a fetish market.

    Neither should be illegal, IMO.
    The second is catering to a fetish, and is kind of silly and gross, in my opinion, but not immoral. The first is a natural preference, and there's nothing at all wrong with it.
    Half the actresses in Hollywood would look "like children", by these standards, if you ever saw them without their clothes on, which you never will.

  3. #3
    Global Moderator
    Truth will set you free
    digsbe's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Metro Washington DC
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:03 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    18,983

    Re: When does porn become child porn

    I think what happened is technically legal because by the law it's not child porn. However I think they should make it illegal to make pornography using adults that look young like children, it just breeds child molesters and should be a discouraged fetish in society. Technically there were no laws broken so no one should go to jail. Another thing I think that should be illegal is anime porn (or whatever it's called) where they have animated children in it.

  4. #4
    Sage
    samsmart's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,316
    Blog Entries
    37

    Re: When does porn become child porn

    The guy isn't guilty of anything - it's not child porn because the actress isn't a child. There was prosecutorial misconduct - they didn't even bother to verify whether or not the actress is or isn't of legal age. I'm not saying that prosecutors should be forced to prove that someone isn't of legal age - that would put too much of a burden on them. However, they should at least be forced to take steps to see whether or not the age of the actress in a video can be verified.

    And saying that someone shouldn't make porn with women who look younger than they really are is as silly as saying that it's okay for teenagers who look older than they really are to make porn.

  5. #5
    Dungeon Master
    Veni, vidi, dormivi!

    spud_meister's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Didjabringabeeralong
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    33,873
    Blog Entries
    8

    Re: When does porn become child porn

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think what happened is technically legal because by the law it's not child porn. However I think they should make it illegal to make pornography using adults that look young like children, it just breeds child molesters and should be a discouraged fetish in society. Technically there were no laws broken so no one should go to jail. Another thing I think that should be illegal is anime porn (or whatever it's called) where they have animated children in it.
    in regard to the anime porn, i dont know about anywhere else, but in Australia, any depiction of a child engaged in a sex act or the like is counted as child porn, whether it be a photo or a drawing
    So follow me into the desert
    As desperate as you are
    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

  6. #6
    Sage
    samsmart's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,316
    Blog Entries
    37

    Re: When does porn become child porn

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    in regard to the anime porn, i dont know about anywhere else, but in Australia, any depiction of a child engaged in a sex act or the like is counted as child porn, whether it be a photo or a drawing
    I think here in the U.S. the law is that there has to be a disclaimer that says all the characters are depicted as over the age of 18. Don't quote me on that, though.

  7. #7
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last Seen
    10-26-10 @ 06:34 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    24,978

    Re: When does porn become child porn

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think what happened is technically legal because by the law it's not child porn. However I think they should make it illegal to make pornography using adults that look young like children, it just breeds child molesters and should be a discouraged fetish in society. Technically there were no laws broken so no one should go to jail. Another thing I think that should be illegal is anime porn (or whatever it's called) where they have animated children in it.
    Again, define what you mean by "look like a child".
    Are you going to prohibit women of a certain physical build from acting in porn?
    That's discriminatory. It's unacceptable. You might as well say blacks aren't allowed to be in porn.
    As far as looking young, all porn actresses, like all women everywhere, attempt to look as young as possible.
    Consumers of pornography would be happiest if every actress in porn were 18 years old (or at least, appeared to be).
    I have never yet heard a guy state, "This woman just looks too youthful. It's really a turn-off. Do you have any older women about?"

    Actually, I'm sure there are a small percentage of guys that feel that way, but that's a fetish as well. And there is a type of porn that caters to them. it's called granny-porn.

  8. #8
    Sage
    samsmart's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,316
    Blog Entries
    37

    Re: When does porn become child porn

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Again, define what you mean by "look like a child".
    Are you going to prohibit women of a certain physical build from acting in porn?
    That's discriminatory. It's unacceptable. You might as well say blacks aren't allowed to be in porn.
    As far as looking young, all porn actresses, like all women everywhere, attempt to look as young as possible.
    Consumers of pornography would be happiest if every actress in porn were 18 years old (or at least, appeared to be).
    I have never yet heard a guy state, "This woman just looks too youthful. It's really a turn-off. Do you have any older women about?"

    Actually, I'm sure there are a small percentage of guys that feel that way, but that's a fetish as well. And there is a type of porn that caters to them. it's called granny-porn.
    Actually, I'm wondering when we'll take the step from criminalizing porn with women who look young to criminalizing sex with women who look young. And if we do that, who do we punish, the men for wanting to have sex with the adult woman, or the adult woman who looks younger than she is? And what should be done about it? Are we going to force those women to undergo plastic surgery in order to make them look older? And if we do, should she pay out of pocket, or are we going to raise taxes in order to force them to undergo those procedures?

  9. #9
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last Seen
    10-26-10 @ 06:34 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    24,978

    Re: When does porn become child porn

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Actually, I'm wondering when we'll take the step from criminalizing porn with women who look young to criminalizing sex with women who look young. And if we do that, who do we punish, the men for wanting to have sex with the adult woman, or the adult woman who looks younger than she is? And what should be done about it? Are we going to force those women to undergo plastic surgery in order to make them look older? And if we do, should she pay out of pocket, or are we going to raise taxes in order to force them to undergo those procedures?
    That's one direction it could go.
    The other... well, I think on some level, I think some people are using descriptions like "looks too young" and "looks like a child" as a euphemism for small-breasted.
    Although the stereotypical porn actress has large breast implants, there is a sizable portion of porn viewers who don't prefer large-breasted women.
    Are we going to insist that all porn actresses who are not naturally buxom get implants so as not to be mistaken for "children" (and by "children", I'm positive that "teens" is what they really mean).

    I see it, potentially, as society once again attempting to commandeer control over women's bodies.
    Society is not in charge of what women *should* look like naked, nor what men *should* be turned on by.
    The free market decides that.
    The role of the law is to ensure that no one under the chronological age of 18 is actually appearing in pornography.
    What the adults who appear in pornography look like or what age they appear to be is not a matter for the law to involve itself in, as long as they are able to produce valid identification and prove they are not minors.
    Last edited by 1069; 05-02-10 at 02:54 PM.

  10. #10
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Theoretical Physics Lab
    Last Seen
    01-06-15 @ 11:06 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    25,120

    Re: When does porn become child porn

    The law is finite and absolute in this one. Under 18, uh-oh. Over 18, nothing.

    When you start entering subjective arguments to try and circumvent the rules and punish thoughtcrime, you begin a long, slippery slope.

    If I want to nail Britney Spears in a belly-tied collar shirt and plaid skirt above her knees with her hair in tails, that's my business - not yours.

Page 1 of 6 123 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •