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Oil Spill’s Blow to BP’s Image May Eclipse Costs

Re: BP's CEO who opposed new safety regulations: Why US?!

We're never going to be independent of oil. Get that pipe dream out of your head. Oil is somewhere in the process of making basically everything today.

Not true at all we can at least have other things as well. Solar powers, and Nuclear power ect. We at least could also use other techniques for engines to run on.
 
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You implied that Cheney was responsible from that nice little story you posted. The little comment that you posted with the story only implies that you agreed with the article.

I think he said the Cheney is implied to be responsible in that story. She never claimed that Cheney was responsible the implication. That is what I got from the story at least.
 
Re: BP's CEO who opposed new safety regulations: Why US?!

Not true at all we can at least have other things as well. Solar powers, and Nuclear power ect. We at least could also use other techniques for engines to run on.

Everything plastic that you own is because of oil. Oil is used in all of our machines. It's not just about energy. That's why I said that an idea that we are going to be independent of oil is just a pipe-dream.
 
Re: BP's CEO who opposed new safety regulations: Why US?!

You implied that Cheney was responsible from that nice little story you posted. The little comment that you posted with the story only implies that you agreed with the article.

So, you recognize your error; I've made no claims. :doh

As for your fun parlor game of pretending to be able to read minds, I suggest you have your inference detector checked; it's defective. :roll:
 
Re: BP's CEO who opposed new safety regulations: Why US?!

So, you recognize your error; I've made no claims. :doh

As for your fun parlor game of pretending to be able to read minds, I suggest you have your inference detector checked; it's defective. :roll:

Lol, I'm sorry for calling you out on your darting implications. You can't handle the responsibility for making bold claims, so you developed a defense mechanism whereby you can cop-out. You just never directly state anything. Implying is so much easier because when you're called out, you can say 'I never claimed that.' Must be a fun game.
 
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Everything plastic that you own is because of oil. Oil is used in all of our machines. It's not just about energy. That's why I said that an idea that we are going to be independent of oil is just a pipe-dream.

Like plastic is something to be worried about being rid of?

Wow, do you some sort of deep-seated hatred for the health of our one and only planet?
 
Re: BP's CEO who opposed new safety regulations: Why US?!

You should be worried about not being able to use plastic. I bet you don't even know how important plastic is. Come back once you've researched that a little.
 
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Like plastic is something to be worried about being rid of?

Wow, do you some sort of deep-seated hatred for the health of our one and only planet?

No, plastic is not important... says the person tapping away on plastic keys, attached to his plastic computer case, with a plastic mother board holding plastic encased memory, and hooked up to plastic insulated cables or wires.
 
Re: BP's CEO who opposed new safety regulations: Why US?!

What claim have I made? :roll:

What claim?

How about, "trickie dickie is implicated again...." :roll:
 
Re: BP's CEO who opposed new safety regulations: Why US?!

So, you recognize your error; I've made no claims. :doh

As for your fun parlor game of pretending to be able to read minds, I suggest you have your inference detector checked; it's defective. :roll:

Yeah, and if I posted an article claiming that Obama was a Kenyan with the comment "Looks like Obama's citizenship is in question...," it would be entirely unreasonable to infer that I agreed with that article. :roll:
 
Re: BP's CEO who opposed new safety regulations: Why US?!

We're never going to be independent of oil. Get that pipe dream out of your head. Oil is somewhere in the process of making basically everything today.
That is due to corporate will, not necessity. Hemp oil can replace the majority of petroleum needs outside of fuel. As fuel, Hemp SHOULD be one of many alternatives.
 
Re: BP's CEO who opposed new safety regulations: Why US?!

That is due to corporate will, not necessity. Hemp oil can replace the majority of petroleum needs outside of fuel. As fuel, Hemp SHOULD be one of many alternatives.

If it's an untapped resource that is economically viable, then go for it. Right now, we get the oil where we get it from because it is the cheapest place to get it.
 
Re: BP's CEO who opposed new safety regulations: Why US?!

What claim?

How about, "trickie dickie is implicated again...." :roll:

Uh. :confused: Do you know what the word "implicated" means?

It's a fact, Gill; Cheney is being implicated for his role in allowing BP/Halliburton to drill without an acoustic fail-safe switch, and not by me. It's a breaking story, but hell, they've already heard about it in England...

Dick Cheney and the Oil Spill

As we know from our own comment threads right here on this very blog, right-wingers are expert at taking a few facts from situations that appear to be superficially similar but really aren't upon reflection or closer examination and using them to attack liberals.

And so, in the last few days, the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico has become Obama's Katrina. Um...look, I'm as pro-pelican as the next guy, and obviously I don't mean to gainsay the scope of this environmental catastrophe, which will end up being staggering.

But Katrina killed about 1,500 humans. And no, it's not George Bush's personal fault that they died, either. But I still rate Katrina a far bigger tragedy for that reason.

And now it turns out, according to an environmental lawyer whose interview on Ed Schultz last week is getting a lot of circulation, that this leak may well be traceable in part to...Dick Cheney.

How? It's hardly as far-fetched as it sounds. From the Wall Street Journal:

The oil well spewing crude into the Gulf of Mexico didn't have a remote-control shut-off switch used in two other major oil-producing nations as last-resort protection against underwater spills.

The lack of the device, called an acoustic switch, could amplify concerns over the environmental impact of offshore drilling after the explosion and sinking of the Deepwater Horizon rig last week...

... regulators in two major oil-producing countries, Norway and Brazil, in effect require them. Norway has had acoustic triggers on almost every offshore rig since 1993.

The U.S. considered requiring a remote-controlled shut-off mechanism several years ago, but drilling companies questioned its cost and effectiveness, according to the agency overseeing offshore drilling. The agency, the Interior Department's Minerals Management Service, says it decided the remote device wasn't needed because rigs had other back-up plans to cut off a well.

The U.K., where BP is headquartered, doesn't require the use of acoustic triggers.

The Journal's report doesn't come out and say this, but the environmental lawyer, Mike Papantonio, said on the Schultz show in an interview you can watch here that it was Cheney's energy task force - the secretive one that he wouldn't say much about publicly - that decided that the switches, which cost $500,000, were too much a burden on the industry.

In the interests of disclosure I will note that I haven't heard the phrase "acoustic switch" until this weekend, so I don't really know. And obviously the fact that the US isn't alone in not requiring this switch indicates that there are legitimate questions about cost v. efficacy. So maybe it's just one of those things.

But then again, maybe it's not. Regulatory decisions have consequences all the time, and the people who made them should be asked to justify their decisions in a democracy. It'll be very interesting to watch this week and see if other news outlets pursue this. --The Guardian

Maybe you should pay more attention to the news. :shrug:
 
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Re: BP's CEO who opposed new safety regulations: Why US?!

If it's an untapped resource that is economically viable, then go for it. Right now, we get the oil where we get it from because it is the cheapest place to get it.
You're mistaken and uninformed on that. Petroleum is far and away more expensive to recover than it is to grow hemp and process it into oil.
 
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Then like I said, you collect the oil from the hemp and start selling it. If it's as profitable as you say it is, you'll become rich in no time.
 
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Is it even conceivable for BP to pay this back?
 
Re: BP's CEO who opposed new safety regulations: Why US?!

Uh. :confused: Do you know what the word "implicated" means?

It's a fact, Gill; Cheney is being implicated for his role in allowing BP/Halliburton to drill without an acoustic fail-safe switch, and not by me. It's a breaking story, but hell, they've already heard about it in England...



Maybe you should pay more attention to the news. :shrug:

And by "implicated," you mean "some dbag from Gawker and an activist plaintiff's lawyer said so and then I copy pasted it."

Sort of like how if a guy on Limbaugh's show says that Obama is a Kenyan, that means that he's "implicated" in electoral fraud.
 
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Is it even conceivable for BP to pay this back?

Of course. As of yet, there's nothing to indicate that the clean up cost is anything remotely close to unmanageable.
 
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You should be worried about not being able to use plastic. I bet you don't even know how important plastic is. Come back once you've researched that a little.

I'm more "worried" about the "island" of trash the size of the state of Texas floating in the Pacific Ocean and destroying the delicate balance of life. There are economically and environmentally sound alternatives to using plastic that will end up choking our planet. You obviously don't care what kind of a world we leave to our future generations, but some of us do.
 
Re: BP's CEO who opposed new safety regulations: Why US?!

I'm more "worried" about the "island" of trash the size of the state of Texas floating in the Pacific Ocean and destroying the delicate balance of life. There are economically and environmentally sound alternatives to using plastic that will end up choking our planet. You obviously don't care what kind of a world we leave to our future generations, but some of us do.

You'd better believe that I do care. Some fruity-tooty dream where we're all leaving in harmony with the trees and the only pollution is our farts just isn't the kind of life I want to leave to my children. Know why? That's what we used to have during medieval times when we were all subsistence farmers. Life expectancy was below 40 years and infant mortality was abysmal. Women died during childbirth and you could expect half of all of your kids to die. Sorry, but I think pollution is much better than this kind of life. And besides, you act as if the environment can't rebound. Did the hole in the ozone layer ever shrink? What do you know, I think it did. It's usually the same with the rest of the environment, and this oil spill is no exception. You are in no position to determine whether some pollution is worth the progress of mankind.

Now that's not to say that I'm for all pollution all the time. I just completely detest the idea that all pollution is bad. If you want to know my real views on pollution and how it should be handled, just PM me.
 
Re: BP's CEO who opposed new safety regulations: Why US?!

You'd better believe that I do care. Some fruity-tooty dream where we're all leaving in harmony with the trees and the only pollution is our farts just isn't the kind of life I want to leave to my children. Know why? That's what we used to have during medieval times when we were all subsistence farmers. Life expectancy was below 40 years and infant mortality was abysmal. Women died during childbirth and you could expect half of all of your kids to die. Sorry, but I think pollution is much better than this kind of life. And besides, you act as if the environment can't rebound. Did the hole in the ozone layer ever shrink? What do you know, I think it did. It's usually the same with the rest of the environment, and this oil spill is no exception. You are in no position to determine whether some pollution is worth the progress of mankind.

Now that's not to say that I'm for all pollution all the time. I just completely detest the idea that all pollution is bad. If you want to know my real views on pollution and how it should be handled, just PM me.

It must really suck to live in a world of only absolutes.

**If we don't use plastic we'll have no choice but to revert to medieval times.**

Good grief, that's some impressive fresh steaming pile of hyperbole you layed there.


:2razz:
 
Re: BP's CEO who opposed new safety regulations: Why US?!

No. You're pretty much arguing for no pollution. The last time we had that was medieval times or a little time after when we used rivers mostly for production. Before the steam engine, most were still subsistence farmers.
 
Re: BP's CEO who opposed new safety regulations: Why US?!

No. You're pretty much arguing for no pollution. The last time we had that was medieval times or a little time after when we used rivers mostly for production. Before the steam engine, most were still subsistence farmers.

Nonsense. Don't tell me what I'm "arguing." I can post my own thoughts without any assistance from you. Your entire premise is ridiculous.
 
Re: BP's CEO who opposed new safety regulations: Why US?!

Ok, so how much pollution is okay as you've determined?
 
Re: BP's CEO who opposed new safety regulations: Why US?!

Ok, so how much pollution is okay as you've determined?

Golly gee, could you possibly dream up a broader question? :roll:

I mean really.

Ok...

.. a broad based question deserves a broad based answer:

The absolute minimum needed to sustain a decent lifestyle for the human race.





***My my, wasn't that informative?
 
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