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    re: Arizona bill targets 'human-animal hybrids'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That wasn't necessary. However, since you ask, I am all for the states stepping up and taking care of the federal government's job when it won't.
    So you are for states that make up laws against Human animal Hybrids which any biologist will tell you is not biologically possible. Got it thanks.
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    re: Arizona bill targets 'human-animal hybrids'

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    So you are for states that make up laws against Human Hybrids which is not biologically possible. Got it thanks.
    That's not what the law is actually about.

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    re: Arizona bill targets 'human-animal hybrids'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's not what the law is actually about.
    Yes it is about this type of thing

    SB1307 - 492R - Senate Fact Sheet

    1. Prohibits a person from intentionally or knowingly:

    a) Creating or attempting to create an in vitro human embryo by any means other than fertilization of a human egg by a human sperm;

    b) creating or attempting to create a human-animal hybrid;

    c) transferring or attempting to transfer a human embryo into a nonhuman womb;

    d) transferring or attempting to transfer a nonhuman embryo into a human womb; or

    e) transporting or receiving for any purpose a human-animal hybrid.
    The law can be found here

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    re: Arizona bill targets 'human-animal hybrids'

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Yes it is about this type of thing

    SB1307 - 492R - Senate Fact Sheet



    The law can be found here
    Yes, I have read the law. It is not about creating manbearpigs. It is about preempting unethical genetic research using human embryos in scenario where they are placed in nonhuman wombs, etc. It's also to preempt any splicing of the human genome with animal genes if we discover a possibility.

    No one who voted for this law thinks or believes that we are currently capable of hybrids now. No one who voted for this law actually though there would be a turtle with a human head running around.

    What you claim is not what the law is about. Sorry, but you are flat out wrong which is kind of funny considering the alacrity with which you took to calling others stupid.

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    re: Arizona bill targets 'human-animal hybrids'

    It biologically imposable to do so Jillman. Any sound biologist well tell you that is gentility imposable to do so. It will only happen in movies, and comics book in another words.. This is why the bill is kind of making Arizona a laughing stock.
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    re: Arizona bill targets 'human-animal hybrids'

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    It biologically imposable to do so Jillman. Any sound biologist well tell you that is imposable to do, so it only happen in movies, and comics books.
    Untrue. It is a phenomenon called a chimera. And it has already been researched and attempted.

    Chimera

    I am sorry but your attempt to paint this as born of science fiction and fairy tale is flat wrong.

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    re: Arizona bill targets 'human-animal hybrids'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Untrue. It is a phenomenon called a chimera. And it has already been researched and attempted.

    Chimera

    I am sorry but your attempt to paint this as born of science fiction and fairy tale is flat wrong.
    Chimera are science fiction in the way you think. Genetics is a different bread of Chimeras all together.

    Chimera (genetics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    re: Arizona bill targets 'human-animal hybrids'

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Chimera are science fiction in the way you think. Genetics is different bread of Chimera all together.

    Chimera (genetics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Which is exactly what the arizona law moves to block.

    Chinese scientists at the Shanghai Second Medical University in 2003 successfully fused human cells with rabbit eggs. The embryos were reportedly the first human-animal chimeras successfully created. They were allowed to develop for several days in a laboratory dish before the scientists destroyed the embryos to harvest their stem cells.
    In Minnesota last year researchers at the Mayo Clinic created pigs with human blood flowing through their bodies.
    And at Stanford University in California an experiment might be done later this year to create mice with human brains.
    That's not science fiction. That is real. That is what the law seeks to block from happening in Arizona. You are flat wrong in your assertion that it is based on science fiction. Your little wiki article notwithstanding.

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    re: Arizona bill targets 'human-animal hybrids'

    National Geographic is the only source we have that this supposedly happen at this college in China it just seem a hell of a lot fishy to me that they don't have pictures of these being, or they don't give it over to others for study.



    That is because it is imposable to fuse human cells with animals cell without it dying really quickly. We have different genes than other animals.
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    re: Arizona bill targets 'human-animal hybrids'

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    National Geographic is the only source we have that this supposedly happen at this college in China it just seem a hell of a lot fishy to me that they don't have pictures of these being, or they don't give it over to others for study.
    Umm, it was also in your own source if you had bothered to read it for content rather than convenience.

    And yeah, it referenced the Nat Geo article, but are you gonna sit here and argue that Nat Geo is a disreputable source? Please do, then we can all get a good hearty laugh at your expense.

    That is because it is imposable to fuse human cells with animals cell with out it dying really quickly.
    The fact that they die quickly does not remove the ethical implications of doing the research at all. The research is precisely what the law seeks to block...research that is not science fiction, but has already happened.

    Sorry, but you're still wrong.

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