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    Re: "I Do Think At A Certain Point You've Made Enough Money"

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The biggest problem is the government can just take more money. If I own a business I have to watch every cost and get the best deals I can because my customer base is not guaranteed to expand, and my last resort is to raise price. Why should the government care when they just raise taxes to make up for deficits? This is why I cannot stand the operating protocols of most government entities.
    Exactly and well said.

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    Re: "I Do Think At A Certain Point You've Made Enough Money"

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Yes I am sure, but this is not to say that your wrong either, but either way the government over pays on just about everything. Government contracts do not discount and pay the full going rate on freight. On the commercial side of things and with competition the average discount on freight is about 60 percent or done with pallet rates at about 60.00 to 100.00 per pallet. A trailer depending on size can fit 22 to 26 pallets single stacked.

    Then their are exclusive loads whether it be one pallet or a full load pays a special rate, usually around 3500.00.
    I don't disagree they over pay, but to over pay several thousand times over commercial rates suggests they are cross subsidizing something. Paying $150 for nails which cost $2.5 is a massive red flag that money is being allocated to something they don't want you to know about. This was the heart of Airbus's lawsuit against Boeing. Boeing was paying outrageous prices on some materials on certain lines of planes. There's no reason to do that especially when the supplier wasn't critical unless you are cross subsidizing other product.

    Another reason why government account is a joke.
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    Re: "I Do Think At A Certain Point You've Made Enough Money"

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I don't disagree they over pay, but to over pay several thousand times over commercial rates suggests they are cross subsidizing something. Paying $150 for nails which cost $2.5 is a massive red flag that money is being allocated to something they don't want you to know about. This was the heart of Airbus's lawsuit against Boeing. Boeing was paying outrageous prices on some materials on certain lines of planes. There's no reason to do that especially when the supplier wasn't critical unless you are cross subsidizing other product.

    Another reason why government account is a joke.
    I agree and I believe that the governments accounting practicing would be like peeling a onion. I think fraud, mismanagement, payoffs, earmarks, corruption, favoritism, don't give a sh!t attitude, is the prevailing attitude amongst those in charge in our government.
    I think Boeing has a valid complaint, not to mention Boeing should prevail anyway even if it is strictly because it's a American based company with a long and honorable history in regards to the government/military.

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    Re: "I Do Think At A Certain Point You've Made Enough Money"

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I don't disagree they over pay, but to over pay several thousand times over commercial rates suggests they are cross subsidizing something. Paying $150 for nails which cost $2.5 is a massive red flag that money is being allocated to something they don't want you to know about. This was the heart of Airbus's lawsuit against Boeing. Boeing was paying outrageous prices on some materials on certain lines of planes. There's no reason to do that especially when the supplier wasn't critical unless you are cross subsidizing other product.

    Another reason why government account is a joke.
    BTW , I have always wondered how senators and congressmen get filthy rich will serving the people, when these individuals couldn't even hold down a cashiers job at walmart. Perhaps the subsidizing that you speak of can be found in the deep pockets of our government officials.

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    Re: "I Do Think At A Certain Point You've Made Enough Money"

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    I agree and I believe that the governments accounting practicing would be like peeling a onion. I think fraud, mismanagement, payoffs, earmarks, corruption, favoritism, don't give a sh!t attitude, is the prevailing attitude amongst those in charge in our government.
    Perhaps, but on the flip side, black operation funding of secret research is in a security sense, done better through cross subsidization then the open funding budgetary process.

    I think Boeing has a valid complaint, not to mention Boeing should prevail anyway even if it is strictly because it's a American based company with a long and honorable history in regards to the government/military.
    You mean Airbus. And Boeing is hardly an honorable company. Especially after the string of scandals cumulating in the DOD banning Boeing from certain project bids. And this whole tanker deal is ridiculous. The EADS plane is a better option in performance measures. We should not be buying military hardware that is good for certain jobs and not good for the military application we need it for.

    Boeing was IMO violating WTO regulations. By taking government contract money on defense deals and cross subsidizing its commercial liners, that was not playing by the rules. But then again, Europeans have been playing that game too at EADS.

    BTW , I have always wondered how senators and congressmen get filthy rich will serving the people, when these individuals couldn't even hold down a cashiers job at walmart. Perhaps the subsidizing that you speak of can be found in the deep pockets of our government officials.
    I doubt that. From what I understand, much of it goes to defense research. Wasn't the F-117 funded partly through cross subsidization? I don't blame them especially after the whole contra affair method of funding. Cross subsidization is a much safer way of funding black ops.

    And most Congress member are rich from the start. I've said this before and I'll say it again. America is not a "democracy" it's a plutocratic republic.
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    Re: "I Do Think At A Certain Point You've Made Enough Money"

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Perhaps, but on the flip side, black operation funding of secret research is in a security sense, done better through cross subsidization then the open funding budgetary process.



    You mean Airbus. And Boeing is hardly an honorable company. Especially after the string of scandals cumulating in the DOD banning Boeing from certain project bids. And this whole tanker deal is ridiculous. The EADS plane is a better option in performance measures. We should not be buying military hardware that is good for certain jobs and not good for the military application we need it for.

    Boeing was IMO violating WTO regulations. By taking government contract money on defense deals and cross subsidizing its commercial liners, that was not playing by the rules. But then again, Europeans have been playing that game too at EADS.



    I doubt that. From what I understand, much of it goes to defense research. Wasn't the F-117 funded partly through cross subsidization? I don't blame them especially after the whole contra affair method of funding. Cross subsidization is a much safer way of funding black ops.

    And most Congress member are rich from the start. I've said this before and I'll say it again. America is not a "democracy" it's a plutocratic republic.
    I agree on most of your points but not totally. Boeing for the most part has been honorable, yes it has had it's scandals but when the chips are down Boeing comes through. Perhaps I am just old school.
    Subsidizing black ops I can understand the secrecy, yet on the other hand this could be dangerous.

    regardless of what kind of society we are, in the end the people have the power, it is that we don't practice it.

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    Re: "I Do Think At A Certain Point You've Made Enough Money"

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    I agree on most of your points but not totally. Boeing for the most part has been honorable, yes it has had it's scandals but when the chips are down Boeing comes through.
    When you have a scandal where one of your lobbyists where sleeping with the agents in charge of the deal and one of those agents becomes a board member, that is pretty fricken' bad. That said, I have Boeing stock.

    Subsidizing black ops I can understand the secrecy, yet on the other hand this could be dangerous.
    It's a two edged blade no doubt.

    regardless of what kind of society we are, in the end the people have the power, it is that we don't practice it.
    Indeed. The fact we still cling to a two party system is a sign of that.
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    Re: "I Do Think At A Certain Point You've Made Enough Money"

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    In principle, I agree with Obama's statement. Enough is as good as a feast.

    In practice, I don't like the government to be taking charge of this matter too much. I also feel like Obama and his wife are most likely arrogant hypocrites, since their income is quite more than most people in the world make.
    One thing is true

    some people are overpaid but the solution is not to concentrate more and more power and wealth in the hands of a malignant federal government. The federal government is clearly an entity that has WAY TOO MUCH money



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    Re: "I Do Think At A Certain Point You've Made Enough Money"

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    BTW , I have always wondered how senators and congressmen get filthy rich will serving the people, when these individuals couldn't even hold down a cashiers job at walmart. Perhaps the subsidizing that you speak of can be found in the deep pockets of our government officials.
    How did AL Gore senior-the poor country schoolteacher as he called himself become a multi millionaire on a public servant's salary



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    Re: "I Do Think At A Certain Point You've Made Enough Money"

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Someone is making $500 producing that toilet seat!

    I also never said rich people were "the problem." Nor did I say government is innocent.

    I think our current tax system is fair. Wealthy people benefit more from their income than the poor do. (they have a greater % of income that is disposable, and therefore can invest more. in a way, a rich man's dollar is worth more than a dollar) Therefore I don't consider a progressive tax scheme to be a bad thing. Even at a flat tax rate, say 20% across all income ranges, the rich are going to pay more than the poor. It's just how it goes. The only other option is a regressive "flat rate" tax scheme, like everyone of any income pays $5000 for instance, which is pretty much only supported by assholes.

    Our taxes right now are at the lowest or very near the lowest they've ever been since the institution of income taxes. People complaining about taxes being too high should remember that. You hate paying taxes. So do I. Everyone hates paying taxes, but they're necessary.

    The part I dislike about our tax system is how little income tax large corporations pay. Companies can make billions of dollars in profits and not pay a dime in income tax in the US.
    more income redistributionist bull****. What's gonna happen next year when huge tax hikes hit. People like you always whine people wealthier than you don't pay enough

    I have no duty to fund your existence. You can claim its fair that I do but that is nonsense as well



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