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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Don't the police need probable cause to stop folks? Is just being hispanic probable cause? Why does the GOP like to trample on the constitution?
    They don't seem to care about ilegals either. They had six years to do something and totally ignored the problem.
    Being hispanic makes you probably Mexican, and therefore if you're in the right part of the country, probably illegal.
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Interesting you should mention that because it's the same argument Rush used today on his show. If I understood him correctly, his position is (and I paraphrase here) that "a driver's license is an extension of your birth verification". I can certainly understand that. Consider...

    Every one of us at one time in our young teenaged or young adult lives had to either take Driver's Ed or show some proof of our age prior to being granted a driver's license, i.e., birth certificate or school records which in most cases support the place of your birth. As such, once you've acquired your driver's license that first time rarely do you have to re-certificy your birth, ala, your U.S. citizenship.
    As I stated, a Texas drivers license does not say anything about that person's citizenship status. The closest it comes is to require proof of one's SSN, which as we all know can be easily forged. Identity can be established by school records, insurance policy, vehicle title, or any number of other documents. The relevant information is here.

    Thus, a Texas DL is not "an extension of your birth verification."

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Being hispanic makes you probably Mexican, and therefore if you're in the right part of the country, probably illegal.
    That is a profoundly ignorant statement. I suspect you know it is, too.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Why is racial profiling racism?

    Police can establish road blocks to check for drunk driving. Going up to a group of people who look Mexican to inquire about legal status (immigrant or citizen) should be no different.
    DUI checkpoints don't single out people based on race. Poor analogy.
    If you seriously cannot see the difference...then no explanation on my part is going to educate you regarding the differences.
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    What percentage favors concentration camps?
    That tends to poll higher among Democrats.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    DUI checkpoints don't single out people based on race. Poor analogy.
    I was countering your statement: "People in this country have a right to be free of police intervention, absent some belief that a crime has been committed.".

    If you seriously cannot see the difference...then no explanation on my part is going to educate you regarding the differences.
    You can't seem to put it into words can you? Such as it is with conventional wisdom.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Why is it racial discrimination? You aren't losing privileges by being checked. No loss of a job or failure to get an opportunity to achieve your objectives because of your race, it is just being targeted for inspection because you fit the profile.

    If a white male 25 to 35 years old with a leather jacket driving a rusted early model blue Toyota Celica rapes a woman in an alley and the police are called, they are going to profile. "Be on the lookout for a white male 25 to 35 years old with a leather jacket driving a rusted early model blue Toyota Celica". Is this racial profiling? Age profiling? Attire profiling? Transportation profiling? Is any of this wrong? There may be several guys fitting this description, but they didn't do it. Should they be investigated?

    Now what if he is Mexican or black? Isn't this profiling?
    Absolutely you are losing privileges. You are losing the basic freedom of being able to walk down the street and not be subject to the whim and detention of the police state as long as you are not committing a crime.

    And your analogy is another poor one. There is a HUGE difference between stopping a "White male- 25/35 wearing a rusted early model blue Toyota Celica shortly after a rape....and stopping any brown colored person at any time of the day/night where no crime has been reported.
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Being hispanic makes you probably Mexican, and therefore if you're in the right part of the country, probably illegal.
    Yeah...because there aren't any latino American citizens that live anywhere near Arizona....or New Mexico, California or Texas.
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Absolutely you are losing privileges. You are losing the basic freedom of being able to walk down the street and not be subject to the whim and detention of the police state as long as you are not committing a crime.
    I demonstrated with my example of a DUI checkpoint that in fact you can be detained with no evidence of committing a crime.

    And your analogy is another poor one. There is a HUGE difference between stopping a "White male- 25/35 wearing a rusted early model blue Toyota Celica shortly after a rape....and stopping any brown colored person at any time of the day/night where no crime has been reported.
    A crime has been reported. Over 10 million illegal aliens are on the loose.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I was countering your statement: "People in this country have a right to be free of police intervention, absent some belief that a crime has been committed.".



    You can't seem to put it into words can you? Such as it is with conventional wisdom.
    Again...DUI Checkpoints don't single out anyone based on race...therefore it is not racial profiling. (Is it really that difficult of a concept?)
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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