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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Then your analogy fails.
    In which way does the comparison fail?
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Racial profiling ABSOLUTELY is Unconsitutional...it is well established and is definitely racisim.

    As for Detainment....when you stop someone to search them for proof of citizenship, they are being "detained" under the legal definition of the term.
    People in this country have a right to be free of police intervention, absent some belief that a crime has been committed. Stopping people solely based on the color of their skin to inquire, violates these very principles.
    Why is racial profiling racism?

    Police can establish road blocks to check for drunk driving. Going up to a group of people who look Mexican to inquire about legal status (immigrant or citizen) should be no different.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    ....Democrats don't like this law because they want the Hispanic vote and don't really care how many illegals are in this country.....
    Ah, yes. Echo Rush Limbaugh's words exactly. This is a perfect example of how some people can't seem to think for themselves.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Nobody has yet established how a LEO is supposed to identify an illegal immigrant by looks alone and without racially profiling.

    Additionally, how does a citizen prove his status if stopped? I don't know about Arizona, but in Texas just having a drivers license doesn't prove that.
    Interesting you should mention that because it's the same argument Rush used today on his show. If I understood him correctly, his position is (and I paraphrase here) that "a driver's license is an extension of your birth verification". I can certainly understand that. Consider...

    Every one of us at one time in our young teenaged or young adult lives had to either take Driver's Ed or show some proof of our age prior to being granted a driver's license, i.e., birth certificate or school records which in most cases support the place of your birth. As such, once you've acquired your driver's license that first time rarely do you have to re-certificy your birth, ala, your U.S. citizenship.

    Now, assuming that your driver's license does act as valid documentation of an extension of your birth verification, it stands to reason that if a "suspected illegal alien" is pulled over or stopped for any reason whatsoever as long as they can provide a valid driver's license, the immigrant verification process should end there. The concern many politicians on both sides of the isle have is this law will end up being nothing more than racial profiling. And of course, some on the Republican side are trying to twist this into a political issue related to near-term future Congressional/Presidential elections. My take on this issue is simple:

    If our government was doing their job and enforcing immigration laws already on the books OR taking the time to strengthen immigration legistlation, the state of Arizona wouldn't have had to go to such measures. But I digress...

    If the state - be it AZ, TX, NV, CA or any other state in this country - was having an illegal immigration problem, they have the right to do whatever they deem necessary within federal and state guidelines to tackle the problem....even going as far as enacting new laws to combat the problem as clearly the state of Arizona has done. I see no problem with this whatsoever as long as it does NOT result in racial profiling.
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    The medical sevices is provided basic things, and public education is only for legels now. Police have to protect every one that is is their job
    I work in the medical field, and let me preface this by say that Mexicans are very appreciative patients, I admire so much their beautiful family values and culture. But, we spend millions of dollars on expensive care for illegals, pure and simple fact. Mexicans admitted to hospitals get top quality care at taxpayer expense. No health care worker pays much attention to how this care will be paid for, that is the job of the billing dept and utilization review, no one else really discusses it.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Why is racial profiling racism?

    Police can establish road blocks to check for drunk driving. Going up to a group of people who look Mexican to inquire about legal status (immigrant or citizen) should be no different.
    In states where illegal immigration is a problem, yes. I really don't have a problem with it. My concern is when local authority pull a person over using "probable cause" as an excuse when what they're really doing is targetting a specific group of people who fit a specific racial profile. As a minority myself, that's where I have a problem. It is racial discrimination.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    So...you are suggesting that we do the GWB and lower ourselves to the standards and morals to become like those we disagree with?
    Lets drag W into this. Can we work Palin into the conversation as well? She is such an idiot...

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    This is another good issue for Republicans and Conservatives in the November elections.......Democrats don't like this law because they want the Hispanic vote and don't really care how many illegals are in this country.....Republicans and Conservatives put their political positions aside and want the checks made.

    So do the American people it seems........

    Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status - Rasmussen Reports

    April 26 2010

    Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status


    Arizona Governor Jan Brewer last week signed a new law into effect that authorizes local police to stop and verify the immigration status of anyone they suspect of being an illegal immigrant. A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey finds that 60% of voters nationwide favor such a law, while 31% are opposed.
    What percentage favors concentration camps?
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    In states where illegal immigration is a problem, yes. I really don't have a problem with it. My concern is when local authority pull a person over using "probable cause" as an excuse when what they're really doing is targetting a specific group of people who fit a specific racial profile. As a minority myself, that's where I have a problem. It is racial discrimination.
    Why is it racial discrimination? You aren't losing privileges by being checked. No loss of a job or failure to get an opportunity to achieve your objectives because of your race, it is just being targeted for inspection because you fit the profile.

    If a white male 25 to 35 years old with a leather jacket driving a rusted early model blue Toyota Celica rapes a woman in an alley and the police are called, they are going to profile. "Be on the lookout for a white male 25 to 35 years old with a leather jacket driving a rusted early model blue Toyota Celica". Is this racial profiling? Age profiling? Attire profiling? Transportation profiling? Is any of this wrong? There may be several guys fitting this description, but they didn't do it. Should they be investigated?

    Now what if he is Mexican or black? Isn't this profiling?

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    No,I think not.
    We are debating laws of a state in the United States, not those of Mexico. Whether you think the laws of Mexico are relevant or not is meaningless because, in fact, they are irrelevant.

    Kindly drop the red herring.

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