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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What public services are undocumented immigrants getting?
    Medical services, public education, police protection,etc. I do believe there are expenses.

    We do have a right, as a nation, to national sovereignty. As much as I respect the Mexican people I know, I do feel that, as a community, they laugh in the face of our immigration laws and really feel like they are totally entitled to be here, legal or not. I also know that their communities are often riddled with gangs, which is closely tied to drug smuggling. This is causing problems here and we have every right to be concerned without accusations of racism.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Even Jeb Bush has come out and said how stupid this Arizona law is.....

    Not to mention Tancredo and several other ultra-conservative, hard line anti-immigrant types.
    Seriously DD. The Bush's are married into hispanic culture. I would expect no less from them.

    Just sayin'.

    I would love it if they would enforce the laws already on the books. I think that's what Arizona intends on doing. They just had to find a way to do it. No matter. Enforcing the law, regardless how it's done, is going to raise the ire of the hispanics.

    Myself, I prefer American law over Mexican law. That's why I live here instead of there I suppose. If those who support letting the illegals run around free and unchecked, prefer to ignore our laws, perhaps they should move to Mexico where ignoring law is common place.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Medical services, public education, police protection,etc. I do believe there are expenses.

    We do have a right, as a nation, to national sovereignty. As much as I respect the Mexican people I know, I do feel that, as a community, they laugh in the face of our immigration laws and really feel like they are totally entitled to be here, legal or not. I also know that their communities are often riddled with gangs, which is closely tied to drug smuggling. This is causing problems here and we have every right to be concerned without accusations of racism.
    I agree with you on one level. But disagree on another.

    I think the biggest impact is really on the public education system. As far as medical services, I would doubt it. Most undocumented immigrants are reluctant to seek medical services in an emergency room for fear of INS. Many travel back to Mexico to get medical/dental care when needed.
    As far as gangs and drug smuggling...those are not unique to undocumented immigrants or their neighborhoods.

    I agree that we have a right and even an obligation to seek immigration reform. Going about it by targeting people based on skin color and laws that harass people, disproportionately the poor is not the proper way to go about it.
    Arizona should be ashamed of themselves.
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Not to mention Tancredo and several other ultra-conservative, hard line anti-immigrant types.
    Personally, I think Tancredo is just mad because he didn't think of it himself ...

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Seriously DD. The Bush's are married into hispanic culture. I would expect no less from them.

    Just sayin'.

    I would love it if they would enforce the laws already on the books. I think that's what Arizona intends on doing. They just had to find a way to do it. No matter. Enforcing the law, regardless how it's done, is going to raise the ire of the hispanics.

    Myself, I prefer American law over Mexican law. That's why I live here instead of there I suppose. If those who support letting the illegals run around free and unchecked, prefer to ignore our laws, perhaps they should move to Mexico where ignoring law is common place.
    This law is unnecessary to enforce the laws that are already on the books.

    In actuality, those laws are better targeted to addressing the problems than this ill-advised drabble.

    It isn't about "rasing the ire of hispanics"...its about respecting the principles that this country has stood for for years. Laws that treat people differently because of skin color are simply wrong. This law was not thought out well and Arizona is going to pay a large price for their knee-jerk reactionism rather than focusing on real reform and addressing the real problems.
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Personally, I think Tancredo is just mad because he didn't think of it himself ...
    No...I actually think that Tancredo understands that he himself could be stopped and detained simply for being a darker shade of brown than the caucasians in Arizona.
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Myself, I prefer American law over Mexican law. That's why I live here instead of there I suppose. If those who support letting the illegals run around free and unchecked, prefer to ignore our laws, perhaps they should move to Mexico where ignoring law is common place.
    Lets take a look at how Mexico treats it's illegals-

    Widespread abuse of migrants in Mexico is 'human rights crisis'
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Its rather telling that Arizona was the last state in the nation to recognize Martin Luther King day....and now they pass this racist legislation.
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Laws that treat people differently because of skin color are simply wrong.
    I disagree.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Medical services, public education, police protection,etc. I do believe there are expenses.

    We do have a right, as a nation, to national sovereignty. As much as I respect the Mexican people I know, I do feel that, as a community, they laugh in the face of our immigration laws and really feel like they are totally entitled to be here, legal or not. I also know that their communities are often riddled with gangs, which is closely tied to drug smuggling. This is causing problems here and we have every right to be concerned without accusations of racism.
    The medical sevices is provided basic things, and public education is only for legels now. Police have to protect every one that is is their job

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