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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Lame argument because you aren't. I suspect that you would feel quite differently if you were being stopped, detained and harassed simply because your skin was a darker shade of tan.
    You are aware DD, at least according to the TV guys, that well over a third of these people doing the stopping and "harassing" as you put it are hispanic themselves? And the two-thirds that aren't are fraternal brothers to the 1/3 that are because they are cops.

    Generally speaking, in my humble opinion, once you're a cop, another cop's skin color doesn't count. They are much like the military in that regard. I know, as a white guy, that if I had just as many hispanic "brothers" as I did "white" brothers, I would be MORE than careful not to appear to EVER be doing any racial profiling. Now, granted, if this was New York, I would have to give racial profiling possibilities a serious second look. But this is AZ. The hispanic culture is so intertwined, I think racial profiling is the least of our worries there.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    You are aware DD, at least according to the TV guys, that well over a third of these people doing the stopping and "harassing" as you put it are hispanic themselves? And the two-thirds that aren't are fraternal brothers to the 1/3 that are because they are cops.

    Generally speaking, in my humble opinion, once you're a cop, another cop's skin color doesn't count. They are much like the military in that regard. I know, as a white guy, that if I had just as many hispanic "brothers" as I did "white" brothers, I would be MORE than careful not to appear to EVER be doing any racial profiling. Now, granted, if this was New York, I would have to give racial profiling possibilities a serious second look. But this is AZ. The hispanic culture is so intertwined, I think racial profiling is the least of our worries there.
    I don't disagree with you there.
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    This law IS about enforcement.

    Not really. It' more show than anything else. It appeases some for awhile, but enforce is still going to be subjective. The same people who close their eyes now, will still close their eyes under this law.


    Are you against people being required to carry a drivers license and proof of insurance too?
    No, but I don't see it as the same thing. A drives license is for when I drive. Same with insurance. When I need it, it have to have it. Simply proving citizenship as I walk down the street? No, I oppose carrying papers for that.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    As written, this legislation is an impediment to local sovereignty and municipal and county governments’ discretion over determining their own policies, so you people that claim to speak out against overbearing central government are obviously kind of inconsistent.

    A. NO OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY ADOPT A POLICY THAT LIMITS OR RESTRICTS THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS TO LESS THAN THE FULL EXTENT PERMITTED BY FEDERAL LAW.
    And that’s a central point, since there are significant portions of the state in which the local resident population will be unwilling to enforce such legislation. That means all of northeast Arizona, for one thing, as well as significant spots in several other counties. I can assure you; neither I nor anyone will be challenged to produce papers anywhere from the Grand Canyon to the eastern state border. This region is going untouched:

    Northeast Arizona Visitor Guide, Trip Planner: WorldWeb.com

    You authoritarian fellows might be enthusiastic to hear about good ole’ Sheriff Joe on Sean Hannity’s show or wherever he appears, but what they don’t tell you is about the resistance to his measures in the southern border counties, since Maricopa isn’t even a border county itself. The Pima-Maricopa just opened a casino resort; they’re resistant if only because of the lost economic revenue. They don’t need any ideological reasons.

    Pima County (an actual border county south of Maricopa County), is occupied by the majority of the Tohono O’odham reservation and Tohono O’odham settlements just outside reservation territory. While there are attempts at purges around the border area, they encounter strong resistance from many reservation members and other Indians who travel there on ideological grounds of indigenous solidarity.

    Mohawks Inflamed Over Tohono O'odham Tribal Council Complicity In "Border" Oppression Of Indigenous People - U.S. welcomes rich and kills the poor | Atlantic Free Press - Hard Truths for Hard Times

    The United States' Apartheid Wall is under construction on Tohono O'odham Nation lands, shown here at the San Miguel Gate.



    Minutes after this photo was taken, a delegation of Mohawks and other Native people stood before the Border Patrol with fists held high in solidarity and would have intervened in the arrest of Mayans, if the Border Patrol had not packed the Mayans into a vehicle and sped away.

    Delegates from the Indigenous Peoples' Border Summit of the Americas were disgusted to see the border wall going up on Indian land; the "cage" where men women and children are held on Indian land; and the arrests of Mayans, mostly women and children, on Tohono O'odham land.

    "We saw it all firsthand in America," said Bill Means, Lakota and cofounder of the International Indian Treaty Council on Nov. 8, when an Indigenous delegation went to the [so-called] "US/Mexico" border here, south of Sells, to document human rights abuses [including murders, rapes, torture, deaths] for a report to the United
    Nations.

    We are going to take this wall down," Means said, after viewing the construction of a "border vehicle barrier" by contractors and National Guard on Tohono O'odham land. [This wall is something to see. It is iron posts filled with cement, sunk 5 ft. into the ground and 6 1/2 ft. high. it is going to be electrified.]

    Speaking a few hours later to the Indigenous Peoples Border Summit of the Americas II in San Xavier, Means called for solidarity of Indigenous Peoples throughout the world to halt the arrests of Indigenous Peoples who are walking north in search of a better life, and solidarity to bring down the US/Mexico border wall.

    "One inch of intrusion into our land is not acceptable!" Mohawk Mark Maracle told the Border Summit. "I became very angry when I saw those guys rounding up our people. It is a violation of our Great Law to witness what we saw today and do nothing about it."
    I might head to Sells to meet some Tohono O’odham activists I know over the weekend; we’ll see what happens then. I hope the supporters of this legislation are correct, and it is not used for racial profiling. I really do, because I will not answer any idiotic questions about foreign ancestry posed to me by someone whose ancestors have been in this region a few centuries (if that), and I swear that if they take it to a level where they try to physically assault me, I am ready to clobber some pig hard enough that he lands in Sonora.
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