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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    Let's go back to the part of the law that actually says that. I tried searching for it, no tomali. Mind helping?
    You need to read the law.
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I already pointed it out to him but being the ambulance chaser he is he is in a state of denial just like he is on almost any topic in DP.
    Sorry Navy....but you were quoting the misinformation that FOXnews gave you that said the law required probable cause. Are you backtracking from that and now admitting that you were once again mislead by the Fauxnews?
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You need to read the law.
    Mind helping me out and highlighting the relevant portion?

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    Mind helping me out and highlighting the relevant portion?
    It helps if you don't pretend to be obtuse.

    Read the text. It states that upon "reasonable suspicion" that the person might be an undocumented alien.

    Think for a minute. Please give an example that doesn't involve racial profiling that would give a LEO "reasonable suspicion"?
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It helps if you don't pretend to be obtuse.

    Read the text. It states that upon "reasonable suspicion" that the person might be an undocumented alien.

    Think for a minute. Please give an example that doesn't involve racial profiling that would give a LEO "reasonable suspicion"?
    Running through a redlight? Swerving in traffic? Driving erratically? All the things police officers pull over people already for?

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    Running through a redlight? Swerving in traffic? Driving erratically? All the things police officers pull over people already for?
    That is already the law. You don't need the new law for this.
    If a person is already lawfully detained a police officer can already ask for ID.

    That is not what this new law does.

    Try again.
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Dude! Who doesn't carry around papers, in one form or another? I've been carrying my ID, SS card, debit cards, insurance cards, student ID, geeze.... the list goes on. I bet I get asked for my ID twice a day, at least. In fact, I have C.I.D. on the signature line of all my plastic.

    I have to respect someone who goes to the fringe on preserving liberties. I was livid about some of the Patriot Act measures myself. But, I'm sorry. I don't buy it. It's all about scoffing at the law by the illegal aliens, their supporting friends and families and the uber-liberal thinking people.

    This "racial profiling" excuse don't fly nor pass my smell test. However, it does appear to give one the "moral highground" when they use that excuse to obstruct illegal alien control. But I am one who believes that claiming the moral highground does not necessarily mean possessing the moral highground.

    My conscience tips the scale in favor of protecting and serving the US interests and NOT in the favor of those who try to usurp our laws using any excuse they can grab and hold on to, to avoid enforcing immigration laws.

    And let's be honest here. If these illegal aliens were from the middle east or some other 3rd world non-hispanic country, does ANYONE here think these protesting latinos would give a **** about their rights or "profiling?" Pulling the race card is so dishonest. (Especially when it's pulled by a race that wrote the book on modern day racism.)

    Racial Profiling Excuse = Caca de Toro.

    I hear what they say. But the real gripe ain't really about racial profiling, no matter what they say. This is all about Uncle Antonio who snuck in under the wire. I hate it when people piss in my hair and try to convince me it's raining.
    I don't really have to prove my citizenship. And I have no Uncle Antonio who snuck in under the wire. I ancestors came here and stole the country form the natives a long time ago.

    But again, the law against being illegal is already on the books. All the laws needed are already on the books. Our failure is not one of laws, but the lack of will to enforce laws. That won't change here, and I am still uncomfortable with the effort to have people carry papers. It's all to historically connected to bad stuff.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Because this law doesn't require "probable cause" to detain and search.
    Oh yeah, I'm sorry. "reasonable suspicion" It's a HUGE difference. And that's AFTER they've established "lawful contact", which doesn't include randomly stopping someone walking down the street. They have to have a REASON to be talking to you to begin with and THEN they have to have a "reasonable suspicion" that you could be undocumented to THEN ask for your proof of citizenship.

    OMFG

    The horror.

    How will the world go on. Cops might ask for someone's proof of citizenship if they stop you for some other legal reason.
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That is already the law. You don't need the new law for this.
    If a person is already lawfully detained a police officer can already ask for ID.

    That is not what this new law does.

    Try again.
    Actually, it does. You should read it. Someone does something stupid, the officers ask for their ID. MSNBC is spinning this as some quasi-fascist law that'll have the Gestapo running around screaming "papieren, bitte!" and there is a kernel of truth in that. You'll need identification papers if you do something stupid in Arizona.

    Otherwise, you have to highlight the portions where I'm wrong at.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    What percentage favors concentration camps?
    Perhaps you could show how this law compares to concentration camps.
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