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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If I were Mexican and a citizen I would have no problem in carrying my papers around with me if it helps to solve the problem of illegal aliens.......
    But you aren't, so your opinion of what a naturalized citizen would do is basically a steaming pile of bull****.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I'm totally in favor of having police verify the legal residence status of everyone they stop, without exception, similar to airport security checking everyone for weapons.

    I'm opposed to randomly stopping people who look Mexican. That would really infuriate me if I looked that way.

    There seems to be some confusion as to the extent of this law in allowing that. Another concern I would have is that illegals would be afraid to enlist the services of law enforcement because their papers would be, then, checked. I'm thinking of spousal abuse, child abuse, etc. No one will want to call the cops and that might leave the weak undefended.
    I'm not a big fan of the whole "papers" things. Too Nazi Germany for my tastes.
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not a big fan of the whole "papers" things. Too Nazi Germany for my tastes.
    It also tends to shift the presumption from the government (where it should be) to the individual. I shouldn't have to prove I'm a citizen simply on the whim of a cop on a fishing trip.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    It also tends to shift the presumption from the government (where it should be) to the individual. I shouldn't have to prove I'm a citizen simply on the whim of a cop on a fishing trip.
    Yup yup. It's always the government's job to prove guilt. I have the right to secure myself, my papers, my effects, and my property against unreasonable search and seizure. If the cops want me to prove my citizenship, they can go get a warrant for that information.
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yup yup. It's always the government's job to prove guilt. I have the right to secure myself, my papers, my effects, and my property against unreasonable search and seizure. If the cops want me to prove my citizenship, they can go get a warrant for that information.
    I think identity papers should be an exception to that.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I think identity papers should be an exception to that.
    Sure as hell didn't make an exception to that in the 4th amendment.
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    Question Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I think identity papers should be an exception to that.
    Why? Why does the government need to know who I am without probable cause to believe I committed some crime?

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Sure as hell didn't make an exception to that in the 4th amendment.
    true enough.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Why? Why does the government need to know who I am without probable cause to believe I committed some crime?
    To see if you are a citizen or legal alien.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Don't the police need probable cause to stop folks? Is just being hispanic probable cause? Why does the GOP like to trample on the constitution?
    They don't seem to care about ilegals either. They had six years to do something and totally ignored the problem.
    No, being hispanic looking isn't probable cause. Which is why it's a non-issue.

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