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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Again...DUI Checkpoints don't single out anyone based on race...therefore it is not racial profiling. (Is it really that difficult of a concept?)
    No it is not, but it shows that it is legal for police to detain those who fit a profile.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I demonstrated with my example of a DUI checkpoint that in fact you can be detained with no evidence of committing a crime.



    A crime has been reported. Over 10 million illegal aliens are on the loose.
    Your attempts at analogies as so poor that they don't even warrant a response.

    First of all, a DUI checkpoint doesn't detain anyone absent objective signs of alcohol. You are not asked to provide ID, get out of your car, etc, unless the officer smells alcohol or observes symptoms of intoxication.
    There are explicit rules governing DUI checkpoints that must be adhered to to meet Constitutional guidelines. The cops cannot stop you for more than couple of seconds. That is why they don't have random Field sobriety tests.

    As for your second analogy..it is so far off the mark it is beyond silly.
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Your attempts at analogies as so poor that they don't even warrant a response.

    First of all, a DUI checkpoint doesn't detain anyone absent objective signs of alcohol. You are not asked to provide ID, get out of your car, etc, unless the officer smells alcohol or observes symptoms of intoxication.
    There are explicit rules governing DUI checkpoints that must be adhered to to meet Constitutional guidelines. The cops cannot stop you for more than couple of seconds. That is why they don't have random Field sobriety tests.

    As for your second analogy..it is so far off the mark it is beyond silly.
    A DUI checkpoint detains for checking objective signs of alcohol. It is a detainment.

    That's ok dude, I understand you aren't really up to the task.

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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    A DUI checkpoint detains for checking objective signs of alcohol. It is a detainment.

    That's ok dude, I understand you aren't really up to the task.
    Sorry..but you are wrong. DUI checkpoints have been challenged numerous times and have been found to be unconstitutional in some instances and not in others. Essentially the law has been carved out by the court rulings such that if the checkpoint slows the flow of traffic and the cop merely inquires whether the individual has been drinking, amounting to an inquiry of a few seconds, no detention has occurred. The cases that were ruled unconstitutional were were the police had drivers perform random FST's or asked for driver's licenses which were then run through data banks to search for warrants. Those cases were held to be detentions.

    Its pretty clear that you don't know what you are talking about and are the one who is not up to the task.
    Got another poor analogy to argue?
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    But just because a legal citizen has broken the law by speeding does that mean they can see if you did anything else illegal?
    In every state if you break the law they can check if you have any prior warrants.......That is common sense.....
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    In every state if you break the law they can check if you have any prior warrants.......That is common sense.....
    But what they cannot do, is stop you and run you for warrants to determine if a crime has been committed. That's the distinction.
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Under this law you have to have probable cause to stop someone and then you can check their papers to see if they are legal.....I just heard the Governor of California say that.....
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    But what they cannot do, is stop you and run you for warrants to determine if a crime has been committed. That's the distinction.
    Of course they can.....they do it all the time.........
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Under this law you have to have probable cause to stop someone and then you can check their papers to see if they are legal.....I just heard the Governor of California say that.....
    That's incorrect. The Arizona law allows them to stop any brown person if they have "reasonable suspicion" that they are undocumented. That's the problem. What possibly could be the "reasonable suspicion" other than race?
    Think about it.

    And BTW Navy...I'm sure you love the part of the bill that allows any joe plumber to file a lawsuit if they think the police aren't enforcing the law. Gonna make a lot of sue-happy plaintiffs and money grubbing lawyers happy in Arizona.......lets hear what you have to say about that.....too.
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    Re: Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

    Its boggles the mind that you on the left would sell your sould for the Hispanic vote....Illegals are killing people in this country............
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