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    Re: Financial Reform Talks Near Collapse, Some GOPers Threaten To Defect

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So tell me how the tax revenue doubled when Reagan cut taxes 25% across the board? That is contrary to everything a liberal spouts which isn't surprising.
    I did tell you but you seem unable to grasp the concepts.

    The numbers posted show 79-80-81 prior to the tax cuts. Have you even looked at govt. revenue prior to the tax cuts which went into effect in 1982?
    Yes I have looked at them, I posted them. There was increases which your Reagan tax cuts can't possibly account for, but you have no comment on that fact, or any of the facts presented to you. All you can say is to look at the raw data. I provided you with context in which to assess that data and you ignore it. I think we know why.

    Can you explain why Reagan won a landslide in 84, one of the biggest on record?
    Yes I can, it's irrelevant to the conversation and a sophomoric attempt at distraction. FAIL

    Stop spinning and get the facts.
    Ah yes, the repugnican ploy, deny your opponents facts without explanation and accuse them of not having any facts.

    I think I've made you look foolish enough on this topic now. I'm out...

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    Re: Financial Reform Talks Near Collapse, Some GOPers Threaten To Defect

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    We had this argument before, and you were intellectually outgunned, clinging motionless to your "tax revenue" statement without taking into consideration the context. Being as you do not fully understand how supply side economics functions, along with its limitations regarding policy, i am not the least bit shocked.

    The 1980's began with serious bouts of inflation and stagnating growth. Cutting taxes (supply determinant) helped alleviate pricing pressures, combined with a military Keynesian spending approach helped foster growth.

    But we are not in the 1980's, and the issue is deflation not inflation.

    So do answer me one question: What are the pricing ramifications for heavy tax reductions? Being that you lack any serious insight into supply side economics, i expect your response to lack an answer to this question. You may now rant on.

    First of all I don't see an answer to the question as the inflation occurred the latter part of the Carter years thus the 20+ percent interest rates. Cutting taxes put more money into the hands of the people who spent it, saved it, invested it, or paid down debt all of which stimulated and grew the economy. Almost 20 million jobs were created as a result and the facts are there for all to see.

    Heavy tax reductions would create more economic activity and demand for goods and services thus creating the jobs that actually produce taxpayers. The price ramifications depends on productivity, where low productivity drives inflation and high productivity will create the goods that will keep inflation in check.

    as for being outgunned, that is a joke, right? BEA.gov will give you the non partisan numbers showing economic growth and tax revenue. Before using your condescending tone I suggest you get the facts because they make you look like a fool.

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    Re: Financial Reform Talks Near Collapse, Some GOPers Threaten To Defect

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    I did tell you but you seem unable to grasp the concepts.


    Yes I have looked at them, I posted them. There was increases which your Reagan tax cuts can't possibly account for, but you have no comment on that fact, or any of the facts presented to you. All you can say is to look at the raw data. I provided you with context in which to assess that data and you ignore it. I think we know why.


    Yes I can, it's irrelevant to the conversation and a sophomoric attempt at distraction. FAIL


    Ah yes, the repugnican ploy, deny your opponents facts without explanation and accuse them of not having any facts.

    I think I've made you look foolish enough on this topic now. I'm out...

    Aw, yes, the class warfare and govt. needs the money more than the individual taxpayer argument. What a tool you are?

    Here are the revenue numbers

    1979 754.5
    1980 896.3
    1981 929.8

    So in three years the tax revenue increased 175 billion dollars hardly strong revenue growth and only 33 billion in the first year of Reagan under the Carter economic policy.

    Now you can spin those numbers until hell freezes over but the American people prefer to have their tax dollars. Still waiting for an explanation as to how cutting taxes led to an increase in govt. revenue for after all liberals always claim tax cuts have to be paid for when the reality is most liberals aren't smart enough to understand that those tax cuts continued to grow revenue.

    The only facts that matter are BEA.gov, BLS.gov, and the U.S. Treasury. You prefer Media Matters and Moveon data which keeps people like you looking foolish.

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    Re: Financial Reform Talks Near Collapse, Some GOPers Threaten To Defect

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I just find it funny that Democrats are automatically deemed to be the "good guys" and Republicans are deemed the "bad guys" in this charade in great deal because of numbers. Just like if the roles were reversed and Republicans were in favor of legislature that is questionable at best in similar numbers and voting turnouts as now, Democrats would be the "party of no" and automatically assumed to be wrong and in the way of progress.

    Well, unless you're illogical hyper-ideologues like disneydude or his right-wing counterpart. I don't quantify them.
    Where was the rock that you've been under for the last... 40 years? When democrats are in the minority they do not block legislation the way republicans do... we have a historical record. Try using it some time.

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    Re: Financial Reform Talks Near Collapse, Some GOPers Threaten To Defect

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Where was the rock that you've been under for the last... 40 years? When democrats are in the minority they do not block legislation the way republicans do... we have a historical record. Try using it some time.
    You are just like this Administration, no one can trust a word you post. You obviously don't know how the Senate works so I suggest you do some research and find out how many votes it takes to pass legislation in the Senate. Then learn the definition of filibuster and what it takes to break a filibuster.

    How many votes did the Democrats have last year in the Senate?

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    Re: Financial Reform Talks Near Collapse, Some GOPers Threaten To Defect

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Obama ran basically saying he wasn't Bush. People hated Bush for his poor war policy and his government spending. Obama is just like Bush when it comes to deficit spending, only worse. People may have elected Obama for what he ran on, but we don't like how he plans on reforming things. The healthcare bill is disliked by the majority of Americans, yet Obama pushed it through and gave democracy a smack to the face. Americans do want reform in all those areas, just not Democrat reform.
    I just love it when the minority party speaks as if they are speaking for "Americans." Sure, they are speaking for some Americans. But not enough of them to stay elected.

    Nobody speaks for ALL American's. So, in our weird way of settling things, we typically give the push to the majority for representing "Americans." But, issues of the day do go one direction or another, however, when 70% of Americans criticize Bush on Iraq, they aren't "real" American's sayeth the 30%. Then, to these people polls are irrevellant. That is UNTIL a poll reflects something they believe, then *POOF,* suddenly the polls are "credible."

    So, if we are to let the majority of the people or the highest poll number decide what is and what is not "American" then we can say that "American's approve of Obama." Right?

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    Re: Financial Reform Talks Near Collapse, Some GOPers Threaten To Defect

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You are just like this Administration, no one can trust a word you post. You obviously don't know how the Senate works so I suggest you do some research and find out how many votes it takes to pass legislation in the Senate. Then learn the definition of filibuster and what it takes to break a filibuster.

    How many votes did the Democrats have last year in the Senate?
    Surely, you don't contest which party wears the crown of filibuster and do nothing, do you?

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    Re: Financial Reform Talks Near Collapse, Some GOPers Threaten To Defect

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Surely, you don't contest which party wears the crown of filibuster and do nothing, do you?
    Tell me who you think wears the crown of filibuster and do nothing? Then back that up with actual facts not media or personal spin. Better find out the make up of Congress before you make your response.

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    Re: Financial Reform Talks Near Collapse, Some GOPers Threaten To Defect

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Tell me who you think wears the crown of filibuster and do nothing? Then back that up with actual facts not media or personal spin. Better find out the make up of Congress before you make your response.
    I would have to say that, throughout the history of our government, taking in all ages, I wouldn't know who wears the overall crown but in the here and now, is there any doubt or do I have to go Googlin'?

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    Re: Financial Reform Talks Near Collapse, Some GOPers Threaten To Defect

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I would have to say that, throughout the history of our government, taking in all ages, I wouldn't know who wears the overall crown but in the here and now, is there any doubt or do I have to go Googlin'?
    You asked the question as if you knew the answer. Since Democrats controlled the Congress since 2007 but Bush was in the WH 2007-2008 I doubt that the Republicans filibustered anything then. Then in 2009 the Democrats had a filibuster proof Senate so please tell us all how holds the crown.

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