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    Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

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    Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation - wtop.com

    WASHINGTON - Osama bin Laden had no idea the U.S. would hit al-Qaida as hard as it has since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, a former bin Laden associate tells WTOP in an exclusive interview.

    "I'm 100 percent sure they had no clue about what was going to happen," says Noman Benotman, who was head of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group in the summer of 2000.

    "What happened after the 11th of September was beyond their imagination, " says Benotman, who adds that al-Qaida thought the U.S. was a "paper tiger."



    "I've spent time in the front line engaging with the enemy more than bin Laden and [Ayman Al-]Zawahiri and the entire group of al-Qaida."

    Zawahiri laughed when he warned those at the 2000 meeting that the U.S. response would be swift, hard and long, Benotman says.

    Benotman attributes al-Qaida's overconfident attitude to the United States' response to al-Qaida attacks on its in embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania in 1998.

    Zawahiri, according to Benotman, expected only a missile attack.

    "When they attacked the embassies in East Africa, they estimated the U.S. launched 75 cruise missiles and eight people got killed. So they said this time, maybe they will launch 200 and they laughed about this."


    So as we can see, Inaction by the Clinton administration fueled the confidence of Osama and AQ. This is not actually news to some of us. We often state that one needs to respond harshly to these attacks....


    Appeasment and timidness, led directly to the 911 attacks.
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So as we can see, Inaction by the Clinton administration fueled the confidence of Osama and AQ. This is not actually news to some of us. We often state that one needs to respond harshly to these attacks....


    Appeasment and timidness, led directly to the 911 attacks.
    That's been my view as well. I read somewhere a few years ago that bin Laden saw our failure to respond adequately after Mogadishu in 1993 led him to believe we lacked the will to fight if attacked. I think he was correct, up until he decided to go forward with the attacks on 9/11. All I can say is thank god Al Gore didn't win the election, or I think we'd have seen a different reaction.
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So as we can see, Inaction by the Clinton administration fueled the confidence of Osama and AQ. This is not actually news to some of us. We often state that one needs to respond harshly to these attacks....


    Appeasment and timidness, led directly to the 911 attacks.
    Wrong. Insane, power hungry, ****tards like bin Laden and his ignorant, foolhardy followers led directly to the 911 attacks.

    If someone chooses not to defend themselves, they are not to blame for being attacked. The attackers, and the attackers ALONE are to blame for their actions.

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Wrong. Insane, power hungry, ****tards like bin Laden and his ignorant, foolhardy followers led directly to the 911 attacks.

    If someone chooses not to defend themselves, they are not to blame for being attacked. The attackers, and the attackers ALONE are to blame for their actions.


    They are partially responsible if they failed to elminate the threat.
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    U.S. response would be swift, hard and long
    So follow me into the desert
    As desperate as you are
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    so unlike how regan and bush the first responded to the terrorism in the blast of the beirut military barracks:
    (from wiki)
    U.S. President Ronald Reagan called the attack a "despicable act" and pledged to keep a military force in Lebanon. Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger, who had privately advised the administration against ever having stationed U.S. Marines in Lebanon, said there would be no change in the U.S.'s Lebanon policy. ... U.S. Vice President George H. W. Bush toured the Marine bombing site on October 26 and said the U.S. "would not be cowed by terrorists."
    and the actual result
    In the meantime, the attack gave a boost to the growth of the Shi'ite organization Hezbollah. Hezbollah denied involvement in the attacks but was seen by Lebanese as involved nonetheless as it praised the "two martyr mujahideen" who "set out to inflict upon the U.S. Administration an utter defeat not experienced since Vietnam ..." Hezbollah was now seen by many as "the spearhead of the sacred Muslim struggle against foreign occupation".
    10/23/83 the deadly terrorist blast
    02/26/84 - four months later - the Marines are withdrawn
    yep, that republican president, and future republican president, and father of the subsequent republican president, sure showed the terrorists how we would not be cowed and would fulfill the pledge to keep US armed forces in lebanon
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Naturally, hyperpartisans like some on this thread will have selective memories. But can you show that there was a strong push by Republican leaders for a much bigger response than Clinton's at the time?

    And of course, nearly all Democrats supported Bush's initial response (invading Afghanistan) to 9/11. Speculating that Gore wouldn't have done the same is lame guesswork.

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Irrellevant. Bin Laden was looking at current events in his time, and specifically clintons inactions were the ones mentioned.


    If you have a problem with that. Take it up with bin ladens associate, not me.
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Naturally, hyperpartisans like some on this thread will have selective memories. But can you show that there was a strong push by Republican leaders for a much bigger response than Clinton's at the time?

    And of course, nearly all Democrats supported Bush's initial response (invading Afghanistan) to 9/11. Speculating that Gore wouldn't have done the same is lame guesswork.



    Anything on the topic or are we starting the shennenigans early this thread?
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Don't blame Clinton - Joe Conason - Salon.com

    Conservatives who once ridiculed and obstructed the former president's aggressive efforts to fight terrorism are now trying to pin Sept. 11 on him. They have a lot of nerve

    Sullivan asserts that Clinton "got his warning about Islamist terrorism very early on" in the first World Trade Center bombing, because "the investigation found links to Osama bin Laden." He adds that "the State Department confirmed" bin Laden's complicity in the killing of American soldiers in Somalia.

    Sullivan thereby implies that Clinton should have acted against bin Laden immediately, when in fact nobody knew about the Saudi millionaire's alleged involvement with the WTC bombing or the Mogadishu murders until at least three years later. In 1993, U.S. authorities were scarcely aware of bin Laden's existence, and al-Qaida had not yet been formed. Conservative journalists, such as the New Republic's Fred Barnes, were then suggesting that the likeliest perpetrator of the World Trade Center bombing was Iran. Even now, hard evidence linking bin Laden to those earlier events remains scarce.

    Perhaps the most sensational charge against Clinton to emerge in the months since Sept. 11 is the dubious claim that he somehow let an offer from Sudan to turn over bin Laden slip through his fingers. Sullivan blatantly misrepresents a definitive article that appeared in the Washington Post on Oct. 3, 2001, on this topic. "The Sudanese government offered to hand over bin Laden to the United States," Sullivan writes. "Astonishingly, the Clinton administration turned the offer down." But that phony accusation is exploded by the very first sentence of the Post article, which says only that Sudan offered to "arrest Osama bin Laden and place him in Saudi custody."
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