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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I respond to one post at time, Zyph, ol' pal.

    Beginning with the OP -- I question Rev's understanding of history regarding who did what with AQ.

    Now, if Rev wants to backpedal..um, er..elaborate on his OP throughout thread, good for him, showing some intellectual honesty. We need more of that around DP.

    However, to start an odviously partisan Clinton/Dem bashing thread, then start adding footnotes as you go along... Pretty lame, Rev.

    Pret-ty LAME.

    Why not get all your thoughts collected in one OP before you press that little button at the bottom?

    I read, I responded.
    Uhm the person quoted in the article was speaking about how osama viewed the actions of the clinton admin a certain way. My aknowledgement of other presidents was to appease the red herrings thrown about in this thread.


    But lets not talk about the article and co tinue to talk about the grwatnesd that is the good reverend
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Uhm the person quoted in the article was speaking about how osama viewed the actions of the clinton admin a certain way. My aknowledgement of other presidents was to appease the red herrings thrown about in this thread.
    Not a redd herring, just making sure this isn't a partisan thing.

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    as to not seek the ire of the powers that be. I wont comment on the irony of your post.
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    as to not seek the ire of the powers that be. I wont comment on the irony of your post.
    I didn't accuse anyone of being partisan, I checked to make sure they weren't.

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    See, here's where I think you're wrong. I think that did in part help lead to it, but not directly. Why?

    Because stubborness and displays of power also helped lead to it. Take for example our support of Israel despite knowing it inflamed the radicals, our remaining in the midst of the middle east following the Iraq War, and our exertion of our influence and power in the puppeting of the rebels in afghanistan. None of those three acts could be considered appeasement nor timidness yet all also had a hand in leading to the inevitable attacks.
    This aspect of our foreign policy (the non-stop meddling, support of this group or that one, and displays of power) is all too often overlooked by the right. It's also overemphasized by the left. No shock either way I suppose. I do think we enter into such actions with the intention that somehow we'll benefit in some way, it's just that in the long run it far too often turns out the opposite. Which is why I tend to dislike all the meddling, but that is another thread. Regarding 9/11 we brought the ball and nudged it down the hill. Al Qaeda lit it on fire and aimed it. Yes, it was their doing and they have the blood of 3000+ on their hands. But it may not have happened had we not provided the proverbial gun in the first place. After all, they did not just spin the globe and have it land on the U.S. as the spot to attack.
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    75 posts and nobody mentioned Sandy Berger?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Osama bin Laden did not know or understand George W Bush. He did not know that Bush meant what he said, that the tough talk also walked.
    [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o"]YouTube- Bush: Truly not concerned about bin Laden (short version)[/nomedia]

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

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    75 posts and nobody mentioned Sandy Berger?

    Sandy Berger. Happy?
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Wrong. Insane, power hungry, ****tards like bin Laden and his ignorant, foolhardy followers led directly to the 911 attacks.

    If someone chooses not to defend themselves, they are not to blame for being attacked. The attackers, and the attackers ALONE are to blame for their actions.
    Actually, I'm gonna have to agree with the Good Rev and his ilk on this one. I was still on active duty when the USS Stark and the two U.S. Embasses were hit. I can tell you onboard my ship, the USS AMERICAN (CV66) (Decommissioned), the entire crew was outraged that only a missile strike was ultimately called especially when the Stark was bombed. I remember many of us in Intell and Combat Ops reading classified messages that essentially detailing how terrorist regimes where beginning to become more emboldened even then, but neither the Clinton Administration nor the Bush-43 Administration did anything significant about it until after 9/11. And then to read the 9/11 Commission Report where DoD and CIA officials argued over who would pay for predetor drone strikes or were more concerned over civilian collateral damange or politican standing when we had the enemy clearly in our sights on atleast four separate occasions! Oh, yeah! On this one, I side with the other guys. We could have did alot more to prevent 9/11 long ago, but we didn't.

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Actually, I'm gonna have to agree with the Good Rev and his ilk on this one. I was still on active duty when the USS Stark and the two U.S. Embasses were hit. I can tell you onboard my ship, the USS AMERICAN (CV66) (Decommissioned), the entire crew was outraged that only a missile strike was ultimately called especially when the Stark was bombed. I remember many of us in Intell and Combat Ops reading classified messages that essentially detailing how terrorist regimes where beginning to become more emboldened even then, but neither the Clinton Administration nor the Bush-43 Administration did anything significant about it until after 9/11. And then to read the 9/11 Commission Report where DoD and CIA officials argued over who would pay for predetor drone strikes or were more concerned over civilian collateral damange or politican standing when we had the enemy clearly in our sights on atleast four separate occasions! Oh, yeah! On this one, I side with the other guys. We could have did alot more to prevent 9/11 long ago, but we didn't.
    Who was the enemy, and where were they, and how could we have hit them?

    That's the entire problem with terrorists - they aren't a state, they don't have terrority to invade or military bases to attack or whatever. And sometimes the most effective action against them isn't always the one that makes us feel good or satisfy our desire for revenge in a big ball of flame.

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