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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You are the one who threw a hissy fit when I asked you a perfectly reasonable question, and you still haven't answered it.
    Yes he has.

    Yes. Do you really think OBL wouldn't lie, or exaggerate?
    Speculation. How about we deal in facts, hmm?

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yes he has.
    Nope. He whined about it a while, then brought it up himself, but never answered it.

    Speculation. How about we deal in facts, hmm?
    That's what I want to do. The fact is that we CAN'T speculate that OBL really believes what he said. It's possible he was saying it to rally his base.

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Nope. He whined about it a while, then brought it up himself, but never answered it.
    Totally untrue on your part.

    That's what I want to do. The fact is that we CAN'T speculate that OBL really believes what he said. It's possible he was saying it to rally his base.
    Then why were you asking him to speculate?

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Did we know where he was at that time? Where? And were we sure he was responsible at the time? I think we knew who he was at the time, but I know al Queda didn't exist yet.
    AQ had already hit us a few times. They hit our embassies in Africa, a military barracks in Saudi Arabia, and the USS Cole. It was also known that OBL was the head of AQ. We had intelligence that pin pointed his location. He was at an AQ training camp and we sent in a bunch of cruise missiles to blow up the camp. We missed him because Clinton waited a few hours and he was gone by then. Clinton waited because he wanted to do a simultaneous strike on a suspected biological weapons plant and he wanted to hit it in the middle of the night when there were no workers there. It turned out to be a harmless medicine factory. The hit on the training camp got delayed because the two hits were done simultaneously, but by then OBL was gone. All of this had plenty of coverage in the MSM.



    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Where were the camps though? That's the key question. At the time, it might have made things worse to bomb certain middle eastern countries.
    AQ was based in Afghanistan. That was no secret.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    And you're assuming that the only, let alone the best, alternative is shooting missiles, when there might have been better ways that just weren't as big and loud and satisfying to our desire for revenge, yet more effective. And Clinton pursued some of those, which made sense at the time. Hindsight is 20/20.
    I'm assuming no such thing. If there were other ways to hit AQ then that makes Clinton's inaction that much worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    We could play this game forever. Why didn't Regean bomb half of Lebanon or Iran (Hezbollah's benefactor) after the 1983 bombing of the marine barracks? And so on.
    This thread is about the Clinton years and AQ. Please don't derail it.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Thanks for having a rational response by the way.
    You're welcome, now please address the Sandy Berger issue.
    Last edited by mpg; 04-30-10 at 11:15 PM.
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    This thread is about the Clinton years and AQ. Please don't derail it.
    But the point is made.

    You're welcome, now please address the Sandy Berger issue.
    This thread is about the Clinton years and AQ. Please don't derail it.

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So as we can see, Inaction by the Clinton administration fueled the confidence of Osama and AQ. This is not actually news to some of us. We often state that one needs to respond harshly to these attacks....


    Appeasment and timidness, led directly to the 911 attacks.
    This has got to be your dumbest, and most factually incorrect, post ever. Bin Laden told his family he'd be gone for a long while. His pals were all prepared for what the U.S. would do.

    Why don't you talk about that dumb cluck Reagan and how ignorant and cowardly he looked when he first, ignored his military leaders advice to not put Marines in Lebanon and then ran away after their baracks were bombed and NEVER retaliated!

    241 American servicemen were killed and YOUR hero Ronnie Reagon, the God of the right, did NOTHING!

    THAT is when Bin Laden accused us of being a paper tiger. Not Clinton. Reagan!

    We get it that you and your kind hate Clinton. But, do you have to act so ignorant about it?
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Totally untrue on your part.



    Then why were you asking him to speculate?
    What a gay response.

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    I think the idea that the only strong leaders you guys can have, is the one that bombs and kills people all over the world, is so idiotic it's unbelievable. You can't possibly eliminate all your threats across the globe. And you turn your military spending into a political point system instead of whats required and nessecary to defend your nation. If a president dared cut any defense spending, he'd be labelled as weak, even if alot of it was unnesecary.

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    This thread is about the Clinton years and AQ. Please don't derail it.
    I guess you don't know who Sandy Berger is.

    Berger Case Still Roils Archives, Justice Dept. - washingtonpost.com
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    This has got to be your dumbest, and most factually incorrect, post ever. Bin Laden told his family he'd be gone for a long while. His pals were all prepared for what the U.S. would do.

    Why don't you talk about that dumb cluck Reagan and how ignorant and cowardly he looked when he first, ignored his military leaders advice to not put Marines in Lebanon and then ran away after their baracks were bombed and NEVER retaliated!

    241 American servicemen were killed and YOUR hero Ronnie Reagon, the God of the right, did NOTHING!

    THAT is when Bin Laden accused us of being a paper tiger. Not Clinton. Reagan!

    We get it that you and your kind hate Clinton. But, do you have to act so ignorant about it?



    Reagan too, you partisan hack you.



    Now my partisan hack friend, any commentary on the article, seems AQ disagrees with your partisan hack dishonest spin. They said clinton, i see no mention of Reagan, though Reagan made the same mistakes Clinton did in beruit.


    FAIL
    You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.
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