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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This one was a bit more specific, including when OBL was offered to us by the Sudan. All these little mistakes, I think, as they are now confirming led to AQ becoming bolder and bolder.
    Sudan did not offer him up to us. From the article I posted in message 10:

    Perhaps the most sensational charge against Clinton to emerge in the months since Sept. 11 is the dubious claim that he somehow let an offer from Sudan to turn over bin Laden slip through his fingers. Sullivan blatantly misrepresents a definitive article that appeared in the Washington Post on Oct. 3, 2001, on this topic. "The Sudanese government offered to hand over bin Laden to the United States," Sullivan writes. "Astonishingly, the Clinton administration turned the offer down." But that phony accusation is exploded by the very first sentence of the Post article, which says only that Sudan offered to "arrest Osama bin Laden and place him in Saudi custody."
    If we didn't would the USSR be around today? It's was a lesser of two evils.
    I agree.

    So there were much greater issues that had to be considered back then? Choices were limited? And all the possible results were hard to predict?

    Imagine that.

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

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    Sudan did not offer him up to us. From the article I posted in message 10:

    I guess Clinton was lying here then.


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    I agree.

    So there were much greater issues that had to be considered back then? Choices were limited? And all the possible results were hard to predict?

    Imagine that.


    What are you talking about? What other evil prevented Bill Clinton from doing anything else?


    Fact is, according to AQ, bin laden was emboldened by the inactions of CLinton. Do you agree that is what happened as admitted by AQ?
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I find it interesting that AQ was emboldened by the lack of reaction by the Clinton Administration. I also think they were morons for thinking we would only retaliate with "200 cruise missiles". I think even Clinton would have launced more than 200.... That said. Anyone have any input on how AQ was emboldened by the Clinton administraton?
    Al qaeda is an accidental illusion. OBL and the CIA kept a list to keep track of Mujahideen guerilla fighters. al qaeda means... THE LIST. Somehow, some way, the CIA bowed out. and OBL was the only one left with the Mujahideens.The media, who love intrique, named the terrorists al qaeda and it stuck ever since.

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I guess Clinton was lying here then.
    No, sounds like he was mistaken, and his wife corrects him on the very same clip.

    Both note that there was no good legal basis to bring him to the U.S. at the time. All that would do would risk him being released for lack of evidence, and that would be a disaster that would REALLY embolden him and his followers. Again, hindsight is 20/20. It's so easy to criticize from the comfort of your armchair two decades later, isn't it?

    What are you talking about? What other evil prevented Bill Clinton from doing anything else?
    Like you said, the U.S. needed to support the Afghan insurgency against the USSR (not specifically Clinton). Nobody knew it would create bin Laden at the time, nor was it as important.

    Fact is, according to AQ, bin laden was emboldened by the inactions of CLinton. Do you agree that is what happened as admitted by AQ?
    Do I agree with bin Laden? That's kind of a silly question. He may have said it, and he may even have believed it. Or maybe it was sheer propoganda that you're buying into. But either way, until you explain what actions Clinton could have taken instead, it's a moot point.

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No, sounds like he was mistaken, and his wife corrects him on the very same clip.

    Both note that there was no good legal basis to bring him to the U.S. at the time. All that would do would risk him being released for lack of evidence, and that would be a disaster that would REALLY embolden him and his followers. Again, hindsight is 20/20. It's so easy to criticize from the comfort of your armchair two decades later, isn't it?

    So which was it? Was he lying, or was there no legal basis? You can't have it both ways.


    As for the "comfort of my armchair", I've been shot at for my country. When and where did you serve?



    Like you said, the U.S. needed to support the Afghan insurgency against the USSR (not specifically Clinton). Nobody knew it would create bin Laden at the time, nor was it as important.

    This is irrellevant to the topic at hand. Clinton did not have to deal with a USSR, he had to deal with the terrorists blowing holes in our ships and setting off bombs at the WTC.



    Do I agree with bin Laden? That's kind of a silly question. He may have said it, and he may even have believed it. Or maybe it was sheer propoganda that you're buying into. But either way, until you explain what actions Clinton could have taken instead, it's a moot point.


    as the leader of AQ, if he believes it, then it's true. You want to play the what if game, The Good Reverend is simply keeping it in reality land....
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So which was it? Was he lying, or was there no legal basis? You can't have it both ways.
    People can make mistakes or have differerent memories of events.

    As for the "comfort of my armchair", I've been shot at for my country.
    Did you complain to your commanding officers that they didn't do enough, thereby emboldening the enemy?

    This is irrellevant to the topic at hand. Clinton did not have to deal with a USSR, he had to deal with the terrorists blowing holes in our ships and setting off bombs at the WTC.
    But the principle applies. You brought it up.

    as the leader of AQ, if he believes it, then it's true.
    Now you've talked yourself into taking a position that depends on sticking up for the integrity of Osama bin Laden. Way to go!

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    People can make mistakes or have differerent memories of events.

    I think your making excuses for you partisan hackery.


    Did you complain to your commanding officers that they didn't do enough, thereby emboldening the enemy?


    What's that have to do with your snotty armchair comment hero.



    But the principle applies. You brought it up.

    nonsense.




    Now you've talked yourself into taking a position that depends on sticking up for the integrity of Osama bin Laden. Way to go!


    Why would the enemy lie about such a thing, only a fool would close thier ears to what the enemy tells you.
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    What's that have to do with your snotty armchair comment hero.
    It's easy to judge from the sidelines when you don't have all the info and you have hindsight.

    Why would the enemy lie about such a thing, only a fool would close thier ears to what the enemy tells you.
    Really? I have to explain why bin Laden might say something to rally his supporters to act?

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It's easy to judge from the sidelines when you don't have all the info and you have hindsight.

    Right, sorry for critisizing your boy, I know it upsets you to the point of no rational discourse..


    Really? I have to explain why bin Laden might say something to rally his supporters to act?

    This is dumb, but expected. Did you even read the article?
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Right, sorry for critisizing your boy, I know it upsets you to the point of no rational discourse..
    You are the one who threw a hissy fit when I asked you a perfectly reasonable question, and you still haven't answered it.

    This is dumb, but expected. Did you even read the article?
    Yes. Do you really think OBL wouldn't lie, or exaggerate?

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