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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

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    Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation - wtop.com

    WASHINGTON - Osama bin Laden had no idea the U.S. would hit al-Qaida as hard as it has since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, a former bin Laden associate tells WTOP in an exclusive interview.

    "I'm 100 percent sure they had no clue about what was going to happen," says Noman Benotman, who was head of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group in the summer of 2000.

    "What happened after the 11th of September was beyond their imagination, " says Benotman, who adds that al-Qaida thought the U.S. was a "paper tiger."



    "I've spent time in the front line engaging with the enemy more than bin Laden and [Ayman Al-]Zawahiri and the entire group of al-Qaida."

    Zawahiri laughed when he warned those at the 2000 meeting that the U.S. response would be swift, hard and long, Benotman says.

    Benotman attributes al-Qaida's overconfident attitude to the United States' response to al-Qaida attacks on its in embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania in 1998.

    Zawahiri, according to Benotman, expected only a missile attack.

    "When they attacked the embassies in East Africa, they estimated the U.S. launched 75 cruise missiles and eight people got killed. So they said this time, maybe they will launch 200 and they laughed about this."



    I find it interesting that AQ was emboldened by the lack of reaction by the Clinton Administration. I also think they were morons for thinking we would only retaliate with "200 cruise missiles". I think even Clinton would have launced more than 200.... That said. Anyone have any input on how AQ was emboldened by the Clinton administraton?
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I find it interesting that AQ was emboldened by the lack of reaction by the Clinton Administration. I also think they were morons for thinking we would only retaliate with "200 cruise missiles". I think even Clinton would have launced more than 200.... That said. Anyone have any input on how AQ was emboldened by the Clinton administraton?
    They're fanatical islamists Reverend. I think they were and still are emboldened by their own stupidity and zealousy. Trying to bring partisanship into this is useless.

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    They're fanatical islamists Reverend. I think they were and still are emboldened by their own stupidity and zealousy. Trying to bring partisanship into this is useless.



    Both bush's were weak as well up until 911, there is nothing partisan about discussing this imo.


    From this article and interview, do you think AQ would have done any different had Clinton dealt differently with AQ back in the day?
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Both bush's were weak as well up until 911, there is nothing partisan about discussing this imo.


    From this article and interview, do you think AQ would have done any different had Clinton dealt differently with AQ back in the day?
    I have no doubt at certain points, there were instances where things could have been done to prevent things like 9/11.

    But the US has so many threats against it, it's probably unfreakin believable.

    At the end of the day, it really sort of comes down to the fact that maybe you shouldn't have armed and trained these guys in the 80's

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Both bush's were weak as well up until 911, there is nothing partisan about discussing this imo.


    From this article and interview, do you think AQ would have done any different had Clinton dealt differently with AQ back in the day?
    Depends on what he could have done differently. Yet you say that's a red herring.

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Depends on what he could have done differently. Yet you say that's a red herring.
    that's only because then YOU were the one asking the question

    since he is now seeking the same response, it has become a legitimate aspect of the conversation
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    that's only because then YOU were the one asking the question

    since he is now seeking the same response, it has become a legitimate aspect of the conversation
    Yeah, he's even bringing it up himself!

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I have no doubt at certain points, there were instances where things could have been done to prevent things like 9/11.

    absolutley, and it does not matter what that was. Point I am trying to ask, is, was Clintons response, as the AQ dude said, so weak that it emboldened AQ to grander things, and ultimatley a mistake in judgment on thier part to what our reaction would be?


    But the US has so many threats against it, it's probably unfreakin believable.


    This one was a bit more specific, including when OBL was offered to us by the Sudan. All these little mistakes, I think, as they are now confirming led to AQ becoming bolder and bolder.


    At the end of the day, it really sort of comes down to the fact that maybe you shouldn't have armed and trained these guys in the 80's



    If we didn't would the USSR be around today? It's was a lesser of two evils.
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    If we didn't would the USSR be around today? It's was a lesser of two evils.
    Difference being the USSR wouldn't have flown 2 planes into the Twin Towers

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Difference being the USSR wouldn't have flown 2 planes into the Twin Towers



    Yeah, but they might have flown an ICBM into them. DUCK AND COVER!
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