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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    What does "what clinton should have done" have to do with the topic of this thread.
    Everything. Obviously.

    Anyone else have an answer? If Clinton's actions were inadequate, what should he have done?

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Everything. Obviously.

    Anyone else have an answer? If Clinton's actions were inadequate, what should he have done?
    I'm glad you asked. The Rev failed miserably on this one.

    When we knew where bin Laden was, we should've hit him instead of waiting so that we could simultaneously hit a harmless medicine factory. Clinton let him slip away, but OBL is only one man. If we knew where the terrorist training camp was that time, then we probably knew many times. We should've kept going after those camps instead of doing a single retaliatory strike. Retaliation is nothing more than political posturing. Clinton should've been focused on prevention rather than retaliation but he was all about politics so he retaliated. He put politics above national security.

    Secondly, Clinton must've done something wrong or Sandy Berger wouldn't have destroyed those documents.
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    I'm glad you asked. The Rev failed miserably on this one.

    When we knew where bin Laden was, we should've hit him instead of waiting so that we could simultaneously hit a harmless medicine factory. Clinton let him slip away, but OBL is only one man.
    Did we know where he was at that time? Where? And were we sure he was responsible at the time? I think we knew who he was at the time, but I know al Queda didn't exist yet.

    And If we knew where the terrorist training camp was that time, then we probably knew many times. We should've kept going after those camps instead of doing a single retaliatory strike.
    Where were the camps though? That's the key question. At the time, it might have made things worse to bomb certain middle eastern countries.

    And you're assuming that the only, let alone the best, alternative is shooting missiles, when there might have been better ways that just weren't as big and loud and satisfying to our desire for revenge, yet more effective. And Clinton pursued some of those, which made sense at the time. Hindsight is 20/20.

    We could play this game forever. Why didn't Regean bomb half of Lebanon or Iran (Hezbollah's benefactor) after the 1983 bombing of the marine barracks? And so on.

    Thanks for having a rational response by the way.
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So as we can see, Inaction by the Clinton administration fueled the confidence of Osama and AQ. This is not actually news to some of us. We often state that one needs to respond harshly to these attacks....


    Appeasment and timidness, led directly to the 911 attacks.
    Even after we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan there was the same rhetoric coming from top al-Qa'ida. I honestly believe they have very little practical sense at the depth of the United States military.

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Even after we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan there was the same rhetoric coming from top al-Qa'ida. I honestly believe they have very little practical sense at the depth of the United States military.
    Excellent point, and of course, it's not like their rhetoric necessarily reflects their strategic intelligence. It's for rallying their troops, and baiting us.

    And that brings up the opposite side of this debate - our overreaction based on emotion and a desire for revenge rather than rational strategy that takes into account all the consequences. In other words, the invasion of Iraq.

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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    I'm glad you asked. The Rev failed miserably on this one.

    Actually I didn't. Critisizm of Clinton is too uncomfortable for Misterman and others, so they try to change the topic to avoid being critical of thier own side. It's hyper-partisanism at its worst.


    Secondly, Clinton must've done something wrong or Sandy Berger wouldn't have destroyed those documents.

    I agree and this has more to do with the topic than misterman's derailment.
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Actually I didn't. Critisizm of Clinton is too uncomfortable for Misterman and others, so they try to change the topic to avoid being critical of thier own side. It's hyper-partisanism at its worst.





    I agree and this has more to do with the topic than misterman's derailment.
    nice dodge there rev
    you were invited to identify the specific acts clinton should have taken to deal with osama bin forgotten
    and you respond that your failure to respond is because you don't want your partisan reply to make the opposition side uncomfortable
    that is so unlike you, which causes one to speculate about the credibility of the basis for that non-response
    give it a shot rev, tell us what specific actions clinton should have taken which he did not
    we can handle it
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Actually I didn't. Critisizm of Clinton is too uncomfortable for Misterman and others, so they try to change the topic to avoid being critical of thier own side. It's hyper-partisanism at its worst.
    That's a load of crap. I'll gladly apply the same principle to other Presidents, including Bush and Reagan. It's not fair to apply our hindsight to them either.

    It's a perfectly fair question. In fact, it's the only fair question. If you think Clinton didn't do something he should have done, what exactly should he have done?

    If it "derails the thread," it's only because you can't think of an answer. Which makes my point. It derails your convenient little armchair quarterbacking party by forcing you to back up your claims.

    Luckily others are willing to have a rational conversation.
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    That's a load of crap. I'll gladly apply the same principle to other Presidents, including Bush and Reagan. It's not fair to apply our hindsight to them either.

    It's a perfectly fair question. In fact, it's the only fair question. If you think Clinton didn't do something he should have done, what exactly should he have done?

    If it "derails the thread," it's only because you can't think of an answer. Which makes my point. It derails your convenient little armchair quarterbacking party by forcing you to back up your claims.

    Luckily others are willing to have a rational conversation.





    What do you think of AQ stating that they thought clinton was weak?
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    Re: Bin Laden had 'no clue' about Sept. 11 retaliation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    What do you think of AQ stating that they thought clinton was weak?
    Sorry, but you said your were done with this topic. I don't trust you to discuss it rationally, without making all kinds of accusations about my motives, etc. Others have responded, so I'll continue with them. You can read along if you like.

    But I've already addressed this anyway - see message #105.

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