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    Re: Former Head of ACORN Bertha Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Harmless. How many elections did this harmless organization fix? Did they fix it so Obama won the election? What about the sting operation that caught them red-handed pushing prostitution? Harmless? Hardly.
    You don't seriously believe that Acorn could fix an election? If so, you really have no idea who Acorn really is as you vastly overestimate their power, maybe even more importantly their competence. They are grass-roots organizing group that serves the interests of the poor. They are under-funded, under resourced and attract largely naive, idealistic liberals that think they can change the world. Nice organization with great intentions but totally harmless.

    Furthermore, if you really believe they could deliver a national presidential election.... wow, I don't even know say to that... that is an alternate reality.
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    Re: Former Head of ACORN Bertha Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Brooklyn, NY - advice was given on how to manage an underage prostitution ring. No paperwork was filled out. Who said there was paperwork? Saying it wasn't real is ridiculous. It happened. It's all on tape. They got fired. Just because they were undercover doesn't make what the ACORN employees did okay.



    It wasn't a fraud unless you think all undercover operations are frauds. OMG! He WASN'T wearing "pimp" gear??? OMG!!! What a fraud!!!

    O'Keefe's charges were reduced after it was discovered that he wasn't tapping any phones. What a fraud all the media coverage was about O'Keefe tampering with Landrieu's phones.
    A non existent prostitution ring. The workers were fired so what are you crying about? This was no undercover investigation. Okeefe had a clear purpose to make acorn look bad from the get go. He released none of the tapes where he was turned away he lied about what he did. Then again you would take the word of a liar. It wasnt real there was no prostitution ring. Again you avoid my comments of the unedited tapes. If you truly watched all the tapes then what differed in the uneditd ones?

    Okeefes charges were reduced because one of his accomplices is the son of a US Attorney. Okeefe didnt get a chance to tamper with the phone lines because he was caught. They had gotten up to the point where they got access to the phone systems and then were stopped.

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    Re: Former Head of ACORN Bertha Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    A non existent prostitution ring. The workers were fired so what are you crying about?
    Why would employees who apparently did nothing wrong, and an editor of a video who did everything wrong (according to you) be fired for a non-existent prostitution ring?

    You're argument doesn't hunt, or else said employees would still be employed. But don't tell me, this is all Faux News fault right?


    What you cannot seem to grasp is, the existence or non-existence of the prostitution ring is irrelevant. At face value, these ACORN employees provided guideance to people who they knew were not only shady but again at face value, could be involved in illegal activity.

    Setting that aside, we have ACORN who claims they only want to help the poor, yet sign up the poor for one political party only, while then claiming they are a non-partisan organization. They're leaders have covered up the brother of the founders embezzlement of $5 Million dollars, they have employees across the country who have been arrested, charged and found guilty of crimes, they've had local offices raided by the FBI and evidence confiscated, Congress cutting their funding, Judges going both for and against... this is not the angelic Robin Hood organization Democrats and other supporters make them out to be helping the poor find housing. Give me a ****ing break. Using that logic, Charles Manson was simply a misunderstood mentor of young women.

    Fact is, this White House, and ACORN as an organization lives on. So more illegal activity, fraud and registration "mistakes" are sure to fill voting ballots of Democrats and Progressives in the future, so that should make you very happy.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Former Head of ACORN Bertha Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    A non existent prostitution ring. The workers were fired so what are you crying about? This was no undercover investigation. Okeefe had a clear purpose to make acorn look bad from the get go. He released none of the tapes where he was turned away he lied about what he did. Then again you would take the word of a liar. It wasnt real there was no prostitution ring. Again you avoid my comments of the unedited tapes. If you truly watched all the tapes then what differed in the uneditd ones?
    I'm not going to keep answering the same question over and over again.

    You're dodging the fact that ACORN workers did indeed give advice on how to "hide" someone's job as a prostitute. They also gave advice on how to deal with underage, foreign girls for the prostitution ring. Your only defense is that there really was no prostitution ring. They didn't know that. They thought it was legit. Doesn't it disturb you that ACORN employees were doing this? Do you agree that they should've been fired?


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    Re: Former Head of ACORN Bertha Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Harmless.
    The work they do doesn't "harm" anyone other those those looking to silence the less fortunate having a voice in our nation and keep them downtrodden.

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    How many elections did this harmless organization fix?
    None. You made the claim, you provide the proof.

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Did they fix it so Obama won the election?
    No. See Above.

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    What about the sting operation that caught them red-handed pushing prostitution? Harmless? Hardly.
    You mean the carefully edited, sound over, totally orchestrated hit piece that has since been totally discredited and debunked?

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    Re: Former Head of ACORN Bertha Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Why would employees who apparently did nothing wrong, and an editor of a video who did everything wrong (according to you) be fired for a non-existent prostitution ring?

    You're argument doesn't hunt, or else said employees would still be employed. But don't tell me, this is all Faux News fault right?


    What you cannot seem to grasp is, the existence or non-existence of the prostitution ring is irrelevant. At face value, these ACORN employees provided guideance to people who they knew were not only shady but again at face value, could be involved in illegal activity.

    Setting that aside, we have ACORN who claims they only want to help the poor, yet sign up the poor for one political party only, while then claiming they are a non-partisan organization. They're leaders have covered up the brother of the founders embezzlement of $5 Million dollars, they have employees across the country who have been arrested, charged and found guilty of crimes, they've had local offices raided by the FBI and evidence confiscated, Congress cutting their funding, Judges going both for and against... this is not the angelic Robin Hood organization Democrats and other supporters make them out to be helping the poor find housing. Give me a ****ing break. Using that logic, Charles Manson was simply a misunderstood mentor of young women.

    Fact is, this White House, and ACORN as an organization lives on. So more illegal activity, fraud and registration "mistakes" are sure to fill voting ballots of Democrats and Progressives in the future, so that should make you very happy.
    You have provided no proof that registration mistakes had anything do with elections as those gaming acorn with fake registrations never had those fake registrations voting. As for only registering for one party thats a lie. Acorn cant pick and choose who they register. The registered republicans and democrats. It just so happens a large percentage of the poor register as democrats.

    No crimes were comitted. Youre still taking the word of a liar who has been proven as such with his revised statements. Acorn employees should have been fired for not following their training but thats where it should have stopped. Okeefes goal was to bring down Acorn. If you havent watched the unedited tapes I suggest you do. Acorns power and influence is overrated.

    I suggest focusing on real criminals.

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    Re: Former Head of ACORN Bertha Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    Voter Fraud perpetrated by ACORN employees did not lead to voting fraud in any way. ACORN employees are usually poor people hired to register voters, and they needed to meet a quota to get payed, and some of them were not able to honestly reach the quota. The right is painting this as a bigger issue than it is.
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    Re: Former Head of ACORN Bertha Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    I'm not going to keep answering the same question over and over again.

    You're dodging the fact that ACORN workers did indeed give advice on how to "hide" someone's job as a prostitute. They also gave advice on how to deal with underage, foreign girls for the prostitution ring. Your only defense is that there really was no prostitution ring. They didn't know that. They thought it was legit. Doesn't it disturb you that ACORN employees were doing this? Do you agree that they should've been fired?
    Apparently not legit enough to never fill out paperwork. Now you should ask yourself why Okeefe talked with low level part timers instead of anyone in the organization with power. How to deal? No no advice on how to deal. Well lets see prostitution doesnt have a code. If they wanted her to hide her job she would have just not claimed income and not filed. It disturbs me that someone like Okeefe can create a narrative and you fall for it no matter how many times hes caught lying. What disturbs me is how he goes after organizations who get little from taxpayes and help minorities while ignoring organizations like Dyncorp who set up real underage prostitution rings and receive billions from taxpayers.

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    Re: Former Head of ACORN Bertha Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    You have provided no proof that registration mistakes had anything do with elections as those gaming acorn with fake registrations never had those fake registrations voting.
    Nor do I as I'm not an AG or prosecutor. However, that fake registrations were taken sometimes for dead people is all I need to know to identify ACORN as a ****ty organization, and their employees either desperate or politically motivated. As for the embezzlement which you do not address... that was hidden from the organization and swept under the table like all things with ACORN - it's dirty.

    [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg7T6DuyE24"]YouTube- Barack Obama's ACORN Commits Vote Fraud in Bridgeport CT[/nomedia]

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    As for only registering for one party thats a lie. Acorn cant pick and choose who they register. The registered republicans and democrats. It just so happens a large percentage of the poor register as democrats.
    Legally you're correct, however realistically, organizations don't follow that have you seen this for Faith Vote?

    [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aARBllu_jr0"]YouTube- Confession of a very partisan "volunteer" registering voters[/nomedia]


    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    No crimes were comitted.
    ACORN Director Pleads Guilty | Judicial Watch
    Ex-ACORN employee pleads guilty - UPI.com
    Ex-ACORN worker pleads guilty to lesser charges - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

    As an organization ACORN's dirty. Lots of people taking guilty pleas for no crimes being committed.

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Youre still taking the word of a liar who has been proven as such with his revised statements. Acorn employees should have been fired for not following their training but thats where it should have stopped. Okeefes goal was to bring down Acorn. If you havent watched the unedited tapes I suggest you do. Acorns power and influence is overrated.
    Over rated or not, I see what I see and heard what I heard. No editing is changing what these people said.

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    I suggest focusing on real criminals.
    ACORN's about as real of a protected criminal organization as one can get. I was and still do hope for more investigations and an eventual RICO trial of Bertha Lewis. The beautiful thing here is that ACORN or their now defunct name and groups will still continue to do what they've always done. So it's just a matter of time.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Former Head of ACORN Bertha Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Sting operation? No there was no prostitution or pushing of it. Okeefe edited the tapes to meet his agenda. Jerry Brown got them to release the unedited tapes for California and when you watch them you clearly see Acorn over and over telling OKeefe that they can't help him. Then Giles pleaded for sympathy. It was Okeefe that had to push over and over again. Even then no crime was committed. ACORN didn't fix elections that's one hell of a conspiracy theory
    If nobody was pushing prostitution, why did the tapes I saw indicate differently and why did Acorn fire the counselors involved?

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