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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    A Delayed Bush Backlash

    I attended the Cincinnati Tax Day tea-party rally as a speaker. But it was more interesting to be an observer.

    First, here’s what I didn’t see. I didn’t see a single racist or bigoted sign or hear a single such comment. Nor did I see any evidence of “homegrown fascism.” Though in fairness, such things are often in the eye of the beholder, now that dissent has gone from being the highest form of patriotism under George W. Bush to the most common form of racism under Barack Obama.

    But I did see something a lot of people, on both the left and the right, seem to have missed: a delayed Bush backlash.

    One of the more widespread anti-tea-party arguments goes like this: Republicans didn’t protest very much when Bush ran up deficits and expanded government, so when Obama does the same thing (albeit on a far grander scale), Republican complaints can’t be sincere.
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    No doubt partisanship plays a role. But partisanship only explains so much given that the tea partiers are clearly sincere about limited government and often quite fond of Republican-bashing. So here’s an alternative explanation: Conservatives don’t want to be fooled again.

    Recall that Bush came into office promising to be a “different kind of conservative,” and one of his first legislative victories was the No Child Left Behind Act, sponsored by Teddy Kennedy.

    Throughout his presidency, Bush’s “compassionate conservatism” surrendered — either rhetorically or substantively — to the assumptions of welfare-state liberalism, i.e. that your decency was best measured by your commitment to large, inefficient government programs. “When somebody hurts,” Bush insisted, “government has got to move.”
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    Many conservatives muted their objections, in part because they actually liked the man personally or because they approved of his stances on tax cuts, judges, abortion, and, most important, the war on terror (we can see a similar dynamic with so many antiwar liberals who still support Obama).

    Conservatives didn’t necessarily bite their tongues (remember the Harriet Miers and immigration fiascoes), but they did prioritize supporting Bush — often in the face of far nastier attacks than Obama has received — over ideological purity.
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    Then, as a lame duck, Bush laid down the predicates for much of Obama’s first 100 days, supporting both a stimulus and Wall Street bailouts. As one participant of the D.C. tea-party rally told the Washington Examiner’s Byron York, “George Bush opened the door for Barack Obama and the Democrats to walk in.”
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    57 percent have a favorable view of Bush, but that hardly captures the nuance of tea-party feelings. For instance, when Bush’s face appeared on the Jumbotron in the arena, the Cincinnati audience applauded. When speakers criticized Bush and the GOP for “losing their way,” the audience applauded even louder.

    Going by what I saw in Cincinnati, second to a profound desire to rein in government, the chief attitude driving the 39 percent of tea partiers who describe themselves as “very conservative” isn’t partisanship, racism, or seizing the Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia. It’s “We won’t be fooled again.” In the near term, that spells trouble for Obama and Democrats. In the long term, that lays down a serious gauntlet for Republicans.
    Between goshin's post and this one. The TEA party should be clear now. Those who wish to continue to bash us do so at thier own peril of looking like dishonest fools.
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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Part of it is partisan no doubt, but when Obama with the D behind his name doubles Bush and makes him look like an alterboy - then passes unpopular health care, buys automakers, bails out more banks, buys AIG... I mean look at the whole ball of wax. Obama's Bush on steroids.

    Claiming they should have been up in arms years ago is convenient, but timing isn't issue, that some people have finally had enough of the spending and are speaking out about it is the issue.
    Let us not forget quite a lot of "them" were upset with Bush and his spending as evidenced by poll after poll. The fallacious "where were they when Bush was POTUS" fluff question flies in the face of common sense, any rational point and quite a lot of public opinion polling that was posted at DP throughout Bush's last term. Only you can't rely upon most internet posters to act as if they remember those simple realities, when they want to "discuss' the Tea Party movement.

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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Between goshin's post and this one. The TEA party should be clear now. Those who wish to continue to bash us do so at thier own peril of looking like dishonest fools.
    I'm having a hard time keeping a straight face at this point.

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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Many of us who are part of the Tea movement, or sympathetic to it, have been raising hell about taxes, spending, waste and the expansion of gov't for a long time... just because some of you failed to notice until we got organized and the "TEA" label was used doesn't mean this is a new thing, or a strictly partisan thing.
    Really? Yet you kept electing the people who did it. Over and over. And we're to take you seriously now? Righto.
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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I'm having a hard time keeping a straight face at this point.




    Wow..... I will refrain from responding to this softball you just threw. you make it to ez shorteh.

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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I'm having a hard time keeping a straight face at this point.
    I can beleive that......... bright red, right?
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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Wow..... I restrain from responding to this softball you just threw.


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    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Between goshin's post and this one. The TEA party should be clear now. Those who wish to continue to bash us do so at thier own peril of looking like dishonest fools.
    I believe that there are legitimate aspects to the Tea Party, but as long as they support laws like these, that are being considered in Oklahoma, then they can never be referred to as a movement that wants to get the government out of health care.
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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I believe that there are legitimate aspects to the Tea Party, but as long as they support laws like these, that are being considered in Oklahoma, then they can never be referred to as a movement that wants to get the government out of health care.
    Dana, while I'll grant that some of it sounds ridiculous from the article, it is also extremely obvious that the author of the article is heavily biased against it. I'd have to wonder if we're getting the whole story just from that one article.

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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I believe that there are legitimate aspects to the Tea Party, but as long as they support laws like these, that are being considered in Oklahoma, then they can never be referred to as a movement that wants to get the government out of health care.
    It's the age old Republican lie. They are not against big government or big spending. That is a proven fact at this point. They are against spending if it's done by Democrats. They are against "big government" if the bill is a Democratic one. That's why I'm a Libertarian. Republicans sold idiots a bill of goods. And yes, the tea baggers are mostly Republicans. That's why I don't believe any part of it sincere.
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