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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    None of your rambling was actually a response to me, so I'll try and make this quick and succinct: If slavery, genocide, violent dispossession, mercantilism, and state interventionism were all forms of aggression that influenced the distribution of territory, resources, and other property, how is it even remotely libertarian to uphold that legacy? You're actually agreeing with the statists if you attribute the poverty and lack of social mobility of the world's economy to free market capitalism. It was all about state-managed corporatism.

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    I know him fairly well, I never considered the racist a true libertarian but more a scourge on the liberty movement.
    Cute. Any interest in validating that one, or are you some kind of bleeding heart lib that wants to be all PC and play the race card?

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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Cochise View Post
    None of your rambling was actually a response to me, so I'll try and make this quick and succinct: If slavery, genocide, violent dispossession, mercantilism, and state interventionism were all forms of aggression that influenced the distribution of territory, resources, and other property, how is it even remotely libertarian to uphold that legacy? You're actually agreeing with the statists if you attribute the poverty and lack of social mobility of the world's economy to free market capitalism. It was all about state-managed corporatism.

    I've never oppressed you. what right do you think you have to my money?


    Cute. Any interest in validating that one, or are you some kind of bleeding heart lib that wants to be all PC and play the race card?


    none what so ever. I find it funny however that you would claim I was using the race card, where that was his m.o., along with your "poor indians are owed money from pale face" "libertartianism"....
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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If the poll is accurate, then it appears that the folks who built this country and keep it afloat with their hard work, everyday, are the same folks who make up the Tea Party.

    Seeing how that voting block makes up 80%+ of the country, one should think twice before pissing all of them off...if one wants to get re-elected, of course.
    Yet the Tea Partiers don't make up 80% of the country.

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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Okay, back on topic.

    If most of the TPs trend Republicans, most of them are either going to vote GOP or for some new third "Tea Party Party." If they vote GOP, most will have no effect since they voted that way before. The TP will attract a few new voters, but those types may go to the third parties, which will be completely useless and maybe just split the GOP vote.

    Those who vote GOP will have an affect in the primaries though, where they'll mostly just make the Republican candidates more radical. This won't help the GOP either.

    What we'll end up with is a slightly larger, slightly more rightwing and aggressive GOP in Congress. A majority though? Doubtful.

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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Make no mistake about it my left wing friends, the Tea parties will back the Republican candidates running for seats in the congress as well as President in 2012.....Its true that people in tea parties don't agree with Republicans on every issue but like me they don't agrees with Democrats on any issue....
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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    I saw a poll recently that said Tea Partiers make up about 24% of registered voters...If that is true and they all vote Republican it will be like Blacks voting for Democrats and Republicans will win by huge margins in 2010 and 2012.........
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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Cochise View Post
    Libertarianism isn't "left" or "right." It's just libertarian.

    If you are actually a libertarian, you know that currently existing corporate capitalism is not based in free markets. It's based in state-regulated markets. That's why I'm wary of the "libertarian" defense of corporatism and its wealth and property distributions. I've been reading a book called Radicals for Capitalism, and its author elaborated a bit on ultra-libertarian Murray Rothbard's thoughts on the "primitive accumulation" issue.



    Rothbard isn't exactly a "leftwing libertarian"; he's an anarcho-capitalist. Most libertarians are minarchists (as am I, incidentally), but they don't tend to disparage the libertarian credentials of hard-core anarchists who want the state replaced by competing private firms. I know I don't. I just think there would be feasibility issues.

    But aside from that, you can see the implications of that view. I tend to think that Amerindian poverty is probably related to their forcible/fraudulent dispossession, slaughter, and confinement to reservations, for example. If wealthy property owners were taxed and portions of their assets transferred to Native Americans, how would that be "theft"? Their gains were made through the losses of others in times past in violation of the non-aggression principle!
    Oh goodie, here comes another True Libertarian™ pseudo-intellectual here to tell the rest of us rubes what we're doing wrong.

    Here's a newsflash: two wrongful initiations of force do not make a right. No amout of loquacious sophistry changes that.

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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I saw a poll recently that said Tea Partiers make up about 24% of registered voters...If that is true and they all vote Republican it will be like Blacks voting for Democrats and Republicans will win by huge margins in 2010 and 2012.........
    IF that's true, it won't be enough to sway any election.

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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Make no mistake about it my left wing friends, the Tea parties will back the Republican candidates running for seats in the congress as well as President in 2012.....Its true that people in tea parties don't agree with Republicans on every issue but like me they don't agrees with Democrats on any issue....
    I hate to break it to you Navy....but they, like yourself, are mostly Republican to begin with. These are not new voters to the GOP.
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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I saw a poll recently that said Tea Partiers make up about 24% of registered voters...If that is true and they all vote Republican it will be like Blacks voting for Democrats and Republicans will win by huge margins in 2010 and 2012.........
    What, you think these people suddenly emerged from under the ground? They were mostly Republican voters last time, and they'll mostly be Republican voters this time. They aren't likely to change much. The only new ones are people who didn't vote at all last time.

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