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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Also, the notion that you "win elections" with Independents is also freaking idiotic in its constant implied meaning. If you don't get a good turnout and support from your base you won't win the election either even if you win the Independents because generally its your base that's most likely going to give you the most finances for your campaign to allow you to reach out to those independents, independents are always going to fragment some what so you need to add something to it, and if you somewhat win independents but have a weak turnout of your base you can be in just as much hot **** as you'd be with getting few independents but having strong base turnout.
    I agree with much of that. But I think you are underestimating the independents. Most people are not in either base and both bases generally turn out no matter how crappy the candidate is. But yes, if you alienate your base you will lose. No kidding. But that does not happen all that much in a national race. So both bases vote like they generally do and the independent voters tip the scale. In state and local elections the base is far more important in terms of who wins because turnout is so low only the bases are bothering to vote. It would be a rare Presidential election where the independents voted for the loser.
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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I've listened to Rush a lot through the years. Funny man who is often wrong. He also doesn't fair well when others challenge him. Seen Hannity a few times, and he's worse.

    What specifically is he/they wrong about?

    I can be specific, can you?


    So, yes, I'm familiar with them. More importantly, I was attention during the election. They're just making excuses.


    What does this paragraph mean? It makes little sense,
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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You want to remain a complainer until the impossible happens, a core movemen of people you don't think are hypocrites. Its a loser position.
    I don't recall whining about anything. It's not my nature.

    I am the "tea party crowd" and you want to call me a hypocrite so you can whine. It has FAIL written all over it.
    Except for one small thing: I never called you a hypocrite.

    And if you actually go to a tea party, you will see there is a difference. There is almost as much dismay with the repubs as there is the dems.....
    I'm sure there is.
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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    What specifically is he/they wrong about?

    I can be specific, can you?
    He's been wrong about a lot of things. From we'll love our oil prices with the Iraq war to his excuses for republicans to most of what he says daily. There's a reason he won't appear with someone who can argue back effectively.




    What does this paragraph mean? It makes little sense,
    Merely left out a word. I paid attention during the election. Means I can't be fooled into accepting the Hannity / Rush excuses. I know what happened.

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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    He's been wrong about a lot of things. From we'll love our oil prices with the Iraq war to his excuses for republicans to most of what he says daily. There's a reason he won't appear with someone who can argue back effectively.

    Have any links to this? any examples? Or are we just making it up as we go along.




    Merely left out a word. I paid attention during the election. Means I can't be fooled into accepting the Hannity / Rush excuses. I know what happened.

    What excuses. Be specific.
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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Have any links to this? any examples? Or are we just making it up as we go along.







    What excuses. Be specific.
    The second part is a direct answer to the claim of why John McCain lost. Don't be silly.

    As for links, how may do you want?

    But only five of her decisions have been reviewed by the justices. Using five as a denominator, the rate comes out to 60 percent.

    We have contacted Rush Limbaugh to ask how he came up with the figure he used recently when he said, "She has been overturned 80 percent by the Supreme Court."

    (snip)

    In any case, 60 percent of the cases the Supreme Court has reviewed is not a particularly high number. In any given term, the Supreme Court normally reverses a higher percentage of the cases it hears. During its 2006-2007 term, for instance, the Court reversed or vacated (which, for our purposes here, mean the same thing) 68 percent of the cases before it. The rate was 73.6 percent the previous term.

    Sotomayor Overturned? | FactCheck.org

    The author of this e-mail is not the only one to claim that the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 (known as the Waxman-Markey bill) would require homeowners to bring their homes up to code and pass an inspection before they can be sold. But the claim is false.

    On the June 29 broadcast of his radio program, Rush Limbaugh said that the energy bill would require "environmental experts" to do "a survey" before people can put their homes on the market:

    Limbaugh, June 29: Have you heard about this, folks? When you sell your house, environmental experts have to come in and do a survey to find out if you’ve got leaky windows, if all the environmental systems are correct, if you have relatively new appliances, and until you modernize in the way they say, you can’t sell – that’s in the bill.

    Limbaugh repeated the claim during a show the following day, this time quoting from a June 26 blog post from the Web site of House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio, cautioning: "Home Sellers Beware."

    Ohio’s 8th Congressional District Blog, June 26: Having a hard time selling your home? Here’s one more hurdle to jump: all homes sales are conditioned upon an energy audit and a new energy rating assessment and energy labeling program for your home that’s outlined in the Democrats’ bill. And if you thought you could improve your property with a fresh coat of paint and some granite counters? Think again! Now your home will be subjected to a new energy rating assessment and energy labeling program that will penalize you for older windows, original fixtures, and dated appliances. So the Democrats’ bill would bring down the value of your home!

    We’ve combed through the portion of the House-passed bill pertaining to residential buildings and found no point-of-sale mandates for owners of existing homes. Major trade groups representing home builders and real-estate brokers also say these claims are false.

    Energy Bill and Existing Homes | FactCheck.org

    So, for example, Rush Limbaugh was wrong when he said, "You can't read a speech by George Washington . . . without hearing him reference God, the Almighty." In fact, only two out of 13 of Washington’s speeches refer to God, according to PolitiFact research.

    Fact checking Rush and Rachel / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The second part is a direct answer to the claim of why John McCain lost. Don't be silly.

    As for links, how may do you want?

    But only five of her decisions have been reviewed by the justices. Using five as a denominator, the rate comes out to 60 percent.

    We have contacted Rush Limbaugh to ask how he came up with the figure he used recently when he said, "She has been overturned 80 percent by the Supreme Court."

    (snip)

    In any case, 60 percent of the cases the Supreme Court has reviewed is not a particularly high number. In any given term, the Supreme Court normally reverses a higher percentage of the cases it hears. During its 2006-2007 term, for instance, the Court reversed or vacated (which, for our purposes here, mean the same thing) 68 percent of the cases before it. The rate was 73.6 percent the previous term.

    Sotomayor Overturned? | FactCheck.org

    The author of this e-mail is not the only one to claim that the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 (known as the Waxman-Markey bill) would require homeowners to bring their homes up to code and pass an inspection before they can be sold. But the claim is false.

    On the June 29 broadcast of his radio program, Rush Limbaugh said that the energy bill would require "environmental experts" to do "a survey" before people can put their homes on the market:

    Limbaugh, June 29: Have you heard about this, folks? When you sell your house, environmental experts have to come in and do a survey to find out if you’ve got leaky windows, if all the environmental systems are correct, if you have relatively new appliances, and until you modernize in the way they say, you can’t sell – that’s in the bill.

    Limbaugh repeated the claim during a show the following day, this time quoting from a June 26 blog post from the Web site of House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio, cautioning: "Home Sellers Beware."

    Ohio’s 8th Congressional District Blog, June 26: Having a hard time selling your home? Here’s one more hurdle to jump: all homes sales are conditioned upon an energy audit and a new energy rating assessment and energy labeling program for your home that’s outlined in the Democrats’ bill. And if you thought you could improve your property with a fresh coat of paint and some granite counters? Think again! Now your home will be subjected to a new energy rating assessment and energy labeling program that will penalize you for older windows, original fixtures, and dated appliances. So the Democrats’ bill would bring down the value of your home!

    We’ve combed through the portion of the House-passed bill pertaining to residential buildings and found no point-of-sale mandates for owners of existing homes. Major trade groups representing home builders and real-estate brokers also say these claims are false.

    Energy Bill and Existing Homes | FactCheck.org

    So, for example, Rush Limbaugh was wrong when he said, "You can't read a speech by George Washington . . . without hearing him reference God, the Almighty." In fact, only two out of 13 of Washington’s speeches refer to God, according to PolitiFact research.

    Fact checking Rush and Rachel / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com




    Oh you want to take years of his radio and point out some of his possible mistakes? My bad, I thought you said you listen to him and could tell me some of his daily wrongs....



    Looking at your list, he's less wrong than you have been since your arrival.
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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    I don't recall whining about anything. It's not my nature.


    You whine about the tea party, you are waiting for that perferct storm of a libertarian uprise....


    Until then, you'll complain about the people CLOSEST to helping us libertarians realize a nation more intuned to our vision.




    Except for one small thing: I never called you a hypocrite.

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    I'm sure there is.



    Well, I guess you would have to go to one so at least your whining would seem relevant to reality.
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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You whine about the tea party, you are waiting for that perferct storm of a libertarian uprise....
    No, I'm not. I actually don't care about the tea parties in the least. Pointing out they are hypocrites isn't whining. It's simply an opinion. I have no real feelings about them at all. In order to be whining I would have to care.
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    Re: Media Exaggerate Tea Party's Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    No, I'm not. I actually don't care about the tea parties in the least. Pointing out they are hypocrites isn't whining. It's simply an opinion. I have no real feelings about them at all. In order to be whining I would have to care.




    Sure ok, you're not whining.....



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