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    Re: Brutal attack on Republican fundraiser appears politically motivated

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I think you are mistaking what people consider themselves versus reality. Democrats can call themselves conservative, but if they expand the federal or really any role of government past necessary and proper they are not conservatives. Many of those southern votes expanded powers past what was necessary and proper, thus, not really all that conservative.
    Any research done yet?

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    Re: Brutal attack on Republican fundraiser appears politically motivated

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Any research done yet?
    Haven't had time.
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    Re: Brutal attack on Republican fundraiser appears politically motivated

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Haven't had time.
    Yet you have time to post alot.

    I provided you with some links, you could just start there.

    Trust me, looking for evidence that the South was completely controlled by a bunch of liberals from 1860-1960 is going to be fruitless.

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    Re: Brutal attack on Republican fundraiser appears politically motivated

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yet you have time to post alot.

    I provided you with some links, you could just start there.

    Trust me, looking for evidence that the South was completely controlled by a bunch of liberals from 1860-1960 is going to be fruitless.
    Don't be a smartass, seriously. You are asking for over 80 years of voting records pertaining to a political party versus their ideological lean. Actually scratch that, you are asking me to go back to the 1800's when the real seeds of expansion started. You think that's a small order?
    Fine then, this is what you get, take it or leave it.
    - Bull Conner, Chicago, local expansionist, race riots; not conservative.
    - Robert Byrd, Former Klansman, just about everything funded federally in his state has his namesake, spending went out of control on his watch, fiscally extremely liberal, dropped the N bomb on national T.V. not so long ago.
    - FDR, national, expanded the federal role of government with help from a Democrat congress, era of Jim Crowe was in full effect, did not end it, spent tons of money on the federal expansion, did not de-segregate the U.S. military.
    - Democrat congress of the 1960's, filibustered the Civil Rights act and were big spenders. Their own president John F. Kennedy had to fight them tooth and nail to reduce the tax rates.
    - Bill Clinton/Ted Kennedy, in a conversation about BHO Clinton mused about the fact that the "boy would have been fetching us coffee a few years ago", Clinton's record speaks for itself.

    Again, since you want to play these games and then try to structure the argument we're done here. If you even try to spin it that these self-proclaimed liberals were conservative then you aren't being honest.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Brutal attack on Republican fundraiser appears politically motivated

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Don't be a smartass, seriously. You are asking for over 80 years of voting records pertaining to a political party versus their ideological lean. Actually scratch that, you are asking me to go back to the 1800's when the real seeds of expansion started. You think that's a small order?
    No, I'm not asking you to do that at all.

    Other people have done that kind of thing already. You simply need to read their results.

    There are plenty of books and web links about the Southern Democrats out there.

    - Bull Conner, Chicago, local expansionist, race riots; not conservative.
    Um, so Bull Conner was a liberal?

    Really?

    This shows what you're really doing here - defining conservative and liberal to fit your needs.

    - Robert Byrd, Former Klansman, just about everything funded federally in his state has his namesake, spending went out of control on his watch, fiscally extremely liberal, dropped the N bomb on national T.V. not so long ago.
    Yes. One guy.

    - FDR, national, expanded the federal role of government with help from a Democrat congress, era of Jim Crowe was in full effect, did not end it, spent tons of money on the federal expansion, did not de-segregate the U.S. military.
    And not a Southerner and therefore not relevant to this discussion.

    - Democrat congress of the 1960's, filibustered the Civil Rights act and were big spenders. Their own president John F. Kennedy had to fight them tooth and nail to reduce the tax rates.
    And the Southern Democrats were conservatives, the northerners liberal. You can't point to the whole Congress and judge factions based on it. That's a logical fallacy.

    - Bill Clinton/Ted Kennedy, in a conversation about BHO Clinton mused about the fact that the "boy would have been fetching us coffee a few years ago", Clinton's record speaks for itself.
    Kennedy is also not a Southerner. Clinton was elected after the 1960s.

    Again, since you want to play these games and then try to structure the argument we're done here. If you even try to spin it that these self-proclaimed liberals were conservative then you aren't being honest.
    Ask any scholar, read any book - you will find that the Southern Democrats were conservative by every sense of the word. It's a well-known and well-accepted fact of history. You were unaware of this because you made simplistic assumptions. Now you know better. Chalk it up to a learning experience. I am not here to humiliate you, but if you continue to deny this basic fact, you'll do that to yourself.

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    Re: Brutal attack on Republican fundraiser appears politically motivated

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Don't be a smartass, seriously. You are asking for over 80 years of voting records pertaining to a political party versus their ideological lean. Actually scratch that, you are asking me to go back to the 1800's when the real seeds of expansion started. You think that's a small order?
    Fine then, this is what you get, take it or leave it.
    - Bull Conner, Chicago, local expansionist, race riots; not conservative.
    - Robert Byrd, Former Klansman, just about everything funded federally in his state has his namesake, spending went out of control on his watch, fiscally extremely liberal, dropped the N bomb on national T.V. not so long ago.
    - FDR, national, expanded the federal role of government with help from a Democrat congress, era of Jim Crowe was in full effect, did not end it, spent tons of money on the federal expansion, did not de-segregate the U.S. military.
    - Democrat congress of the 1960's, filibustered the Civil Rights act and were big spenders. Their own president John F. Kennedy had to fight them tooth and nail to reduce the tax rates.
    - Bill Clinton/Ted Kennedy, in a conversation about BHO Clinton mused about the fact that the "boy would have been fetching us coffee a few years ago", Clinton's record speaks for itself.

    Again, since you want to play these games and then try to structure the argument we're done here. If you even try to spin it that these self-proclaimed liberals were conservative then you aren't being honest.
    Was the south just pretending to be conservative when they broke off from the Union to form a confederacy of states based on States rights and a weak central government?

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    Re: Brutal attack on Republican fundraiser appears politically motivated

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Was the south just pretending to be conservative when they broke off from the Union to form a confederacy of states based on States rights and a weak central government?
    I'm pretty sure they were also pro-slavery.
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    Re: Brutal attack on Republican fundraiser appears politically motivated

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    I'm pretty sure they were also pro-slavery.
    Yes and slavery was a traditional institution in the US. The republicans were more liberal then.

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