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    Re: Poll: Most Tea Party Supporters Say Their Taxes Are Fair

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I'm starting to get suspicious of these polls that supposedly show who the Tea Partiers are. They all seem to contradict each other. I think the problem is the ambiguity of defining who's a Tea Partier and who isn't.
    Exactly. The polls are highly suspect. Who are the "tea partiers" anyway? Do the pollsters go around their rallies asking questions?

    The polls seem to be taken to prove a point rather than to find out information.

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    75% of voters nationwide say the average American should pay no more than 20% of their income in taxes. However, the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that most voters (55%) believe the average American actually pays 30% or more of their income in taxes.
    raises some interesting questions:

    How may people in this country actually pay 30% or more of their income in taxes? How many pay even 20%? I can see where anyone paying that much would think that taxes are too high, but how many people in general even know how much they have paid?

    Most people just look at how much they either have to kick in or how much they get back at the end of the year.
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    Re: Poll: Most Tea Party Supporters Say Their Taxes Are Fair

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I'll tell you one thing, my taxes sure as **** aren't fair. I'm an independent contractor, so I get taxed as a higher rate than someone else who makes the exact same amount of money as I do because of small business taxes and such.

    That's not a fair system.
    Yup, for small businesses, taxes are crushing. The company I work for pays corporation tax, franchise tax, unemployment tax, medicare tax, property tax, not only on the premises, but on what is inside, including inventory, sales tax (but we do collect that from the customer, so maybe it shouldn't count), a fee on our sign, permit fees, state registration fees, registration fees for EACH municipality we do work in (and there are a lot of them), taxes built into the fees on refrigerants we recover and recycle, taxes on our phone service, which are at a higher rate than residential, the same on the water we use, the same on our internet service, and the same on the electricity we use.

    Of course, we do pass all this on to the consumer, as do all other contractors. Ever wonder why your A/C and heating system costs about 3 times as much as it did 10 years ago? Part of it is mandated higher efficiency standards - OK, no problem with that. It means fewer power plants have to be built, resulting in less reliance on foreign oil. Part of it is the switchover to new refrigerants which contain no chlorine, meaning compressors and coils in new units must be larger and more expensive - OK, no problem with that, as this is helping to shrink the ozone hole. And, of course, part of it is the huge increase in taxes. Now that, I have a problem with, but like I said, we merely pass those costs on to the consumer. When our taxes go up, it is you who pays it, not us.

    While you are at your Tea Party, screaming about being overtaxed, think about more than just income tax. You are being taxed to death in ways you never imagined.
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    Re: Poll: Most Tea Party Supporters Say Their Taxes Are Fair

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I'll tell you one thing, my taxes sure as **** aren't fair. I'm an independent contractor, so I get taxed as a higher rate than someone else who makes the exact same amount of money as I do because of small business taxes and such.

    That's not a fair system.
    It's because you'remore interested in doing the, "right thing", than playing by the rules that the government has set forth.
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    Re: Poll: Most Tea Party Supporters Say Their Taxes Are Fair

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Something like 95% of the country have had their taxes go DOWN so far during the Obama administration.
    Whatta lie! Show us reduced taxes, since PBO took dictatorial powers.
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    Re: Poll: Most Tea Party Supporters Say Their Taxes Are Fair

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yup, for small businesses, taxes are crushing. The company I work for pays corporation tax, franchise tax, unemployment tax, medicare tax, property tax, not only on the premises, but on what is inside, including inventory, sales tax (but we do collect that from the customer, so maybe it shouldn't count), a fee on our sign, permit fees, state registration fees, registration fees for EACH municipality we do work in (and there are a lot of them), taxes built into the fees on refrigerants we recover and recycle, taxes on our phone service, which are at a higher rate than residential, the same on the water we use, the same on our internet service, and the same on the electricity we use.

    Of course, we do pass all this on to the consumer, as do all other contractors. Ever wonder why your A/C and heating system costs about 3 times as much as it did 10 years ago? Part of it is mandated higher efficiency standards - OK, no problem with that. It means fewer power plants have to be built, resulting in less reliance on foreign oil. Part of it is the switchover to new refrigerants which contain no chlorine, meaning compressors and coils in new units must be larger and more expensive - OK, no problem with that, as this is helping to shrink the ozone hole. And, of course, part of it is the huge increase in taxes. Now that, I have a problem with, but like I said, we merely pass those costs on to the consumer. When our taxes go up, it is you who pays it, not us.

    While you are at your Tea Party, screaming about being overtaxed, think about more than just income tax. You are being taxed to death in ways you never imagined.
    You forgot payroll tax, which is the worst.
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    Re: Poll: Most Tea Party Supporters Say Their Taxes Are Fair

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Something like 95% of the country have had their taxes go DOWN so far during the Obama administration.
    that is the 95% who pay about 20% of the taxes. Those of us who pay the vast majority of the taxes are going to see massive tax hikes in the next year

    and if you lower taxes on 10% of the tax base that really is not as great as the obamunists claim

    the group that pays about 60-70% of the income taxes are going to have their taxes raised

    its dishonest to confuse number of voters (many of whom really don't pay taxes) with those who actually pay most of the burden



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    Re: Poll: Most Tea Party Supporters Say Their Taxes Are Fair

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is the 95% who pay about 20% of the taxes. Those of us who pay the vast majority of the taxes are going to see massive tax hikes in the next year
    How massive? 3 percent?
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    Re: Poll: Most Tea Party Supporters Say Their Taxes Are Fair

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    How massive? 3 percent?
    wrong

    35-39% is a 10% increase in taxes. If someone is making a fair amount from investments-then it is going to be much higher depending whether dividends will go from 15% to 39% or merely to 21%

    same with Capital gains. Then there are increases in other taxes as well such as the MC tax going up another percentage point or so which is close to a 30% increase

    then there is the millionaire surcharge that is being considered which means another 5% on top of any income over one million dollars.

    of course the death tax reverts to the million dollar level next year as well



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    Re: Poll: Most Tea Party Supporters Say Their Taxes Are Fair

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Whatta lie! Show us reduced taxes, since PBO took dictatorial powers.
    Apart from hyperbole about dictatorial powers, here you go.

    Excerpted from “Ignorance Is Bliss for the Tea Party Crowd” posted by bruce bartlett, “capitalgainsandgames: Washington, Wall Street & Everything in Between,” 20 mar 2010
    … [F]ederal taxes are very considerably lower by every measure since Obama became president. And given the economic circumstances, it's hard to imagine that a tax increase would have been enacted last year. In fact, 40% of Obama's stimulus package involved tax cuts. These include the Making Work Pay Credit, which reduces federal taxes for all taxpayers with incomes below $75,000 by between $400 and $800.

    According to the JCT, last year's $787 billion stimulus bill, enacted with no Republican support, reduced federal taxes by almost $100 billion in 2009 and another $222 billion this year. The Tax Policy Center, a private research group, estimates that close to 90% of all taxpayers got a tax cut last year and almost 100% of those in the $50,000 income range. For those making between $40,000 and $50,000, the average tax cut was $472; for those making between $50,000 and $75,000, the tax cut averaged $522. No taxpayer anywhere in the country had his or her taxes increased as a consequence of Obama's policies. …
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    Re: Poll: Most Tea Party Supporters Say Their Taxes Are Fair

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's because you'remore interested in doing the, "right thing", than playing by the rules that the government has set forth.
    Doesn't bother me all that much when all is said and done. I live comfortably and can afford the taxes.

    I was just pissed off when I posted that because I literally posted it within minutes of writing the check for my tax bill this year.
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