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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    it's starting

    wsj, this morning: US faces shortage of 150,000 doctors
    Ahhhhhhh! Suddenly 150,000 doctors went missing the day after this bill was signed!

    Dolt.

    The doctor shortage has been around for decades. It has nothing to do with this law.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    but the HEADLINE is BRAND NEW

    LOL!

    politics is played in HEADLINES

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    but the HEADLINE is BRAND NEW

    LOL!

    politics is played in HEADLINES
    Thanks for admitting it.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

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    The only goal was to provide affordable health care to all citizens.
    The problem with that goal is that it is unattainable in this society.
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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The doctor shortage has been around for decades. It has nothing to do with this law.
    True. It will only get worse with the new health care legislation.
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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    CBC.ca - Canada Votes - Why MDs are scarce and what can be done about it

    ISSUE WATCH
    Doctor shortage
    Why MDs are scarce and what can be done about it

    According to Statistics Canada, 4.1 million Canadians over the age of 12 don't have a family doctor. Do you have a family doctor? Many Canadians don't.

    In fact, Statistics Canada reported in June 2008 that about 4.1 million Canadians aged 12 or older don't have a family doctor.

    About 1.5 million people said they simply could not find one. The federal agency reports that 78 per cent of those 4.1 million do seek medical care elsewhere, with most using walk-in or appointment clinics.

    In total, about three-quarters of Canadians saw a doctor for some reason last year. Those numbers include visits to family doctors, specialists, emergency rooms and other types of consultations. So the demand for care is there.

    According to the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI), there were 62,307 physicians in Canada in 2006, an increase of 4.9 per cent from five years earlier, which is about the same pace as the increase in population. So the number of doctors per person hasn't changed much in that time.

    Doctors' groups began warning in the mid-1990s that a shortage was coming. But Canada's highest doctor-to-patient ratio came in 1993, and the perception of some policy makers was that there was a surplus. Enrolment at medical school was cut and retirement incentives were offered.

    More interest in specialities

    It wasn't until early in this decade that the worry about a shortage spread. In the 1990s, fewer doctors graduated as general practitioners. According to CIHI, in the early 1990s, about 80 per cent of physicians began their careers as general practitioners. By 2000, only 45 per cent did. The interest in specialties had increased.

    With fewer GPs, remote regions were finding it harder and harder to attract those graduates.

    Also in the mid '90s came new restrictions on international medical graduates.

    The Canadian Medical Association says the shortage of health-care professionals is the most urgent issue facing the system today. A poll done for the CMA by Ipsos Reid in September 2008 found that respondents agreed. About 65 per cent of people polled said it was a top priority in health care. The poll surveyed 1,026 people from Sept. 24 to 26, and is considered accurate within three percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

    In that survey, more than 70 per cent of respondents said politicians weren't spending enough time discussing health care during the current federal election campaign.

    Parties weigh in

    Health care, of course, is a provincial responsibility. But the Canada Health Act is a federal act, and federal transfers provide money for the provinces to use for health spending. So federal parties usually have a lot to say about health care, whether or not they can do anything about it.

    Most of the major federal parties have called for an increase in funding to train new doctors and nurses.

    Because of predictions in the 1990s that Canada would soon have too many doctors, many provinces cut the number of available spaces at medical schools. But increasing the number of spaces available means finding teachers, and spaces in hospitals where new graduates can do their residencies.

    The Liberals say they would spend $420 million to increase the number of doctors and nurses being trained, and reward students who choose needed specialties.

    The NDP has repeated its promise of $200 million a year towards a 50 per cent increase in the number of doctors being trained.

    The Conservatives have promised to fund 50 new residencies every year in university hospitals. The party is also promising a $5-million fund to encourage Canadian physicians who practise abroad to return home.

    Aging population a factor

    The need for more doctors is likely to get even more pressing.

    The aging population puts a double strain on health care: first, because older people need more medical care, and second, because the doctors themselves will be aging, and leaving their practices. The CMA reports that about one third of doctors are 55 or older. Statistics Canada says that in 2006, Canada's seniors hit a record 13.7 per cent of the population. The agency's projections suggest the proportion of seniors could double in the next 25 years.

    Physician demographics are changing in other ways. There are more female physicians these days, and they tend to work fewer hours a week than their male counterparts. They are also more likely to take time off to raise children. Younger doctors of both sexes are less willing to work the 60-hour work weeks of their predecessors.

    CMA president Robert Ouellet says there simply aren't enough physicians to go around.

    "Patients need to have a family doctor, and they need to have access to health care, and to have access to surgeries, and treatments, and we need to have doctors to do that."

    The CMA has launched an information campaign, saying Canada needs 26,000 more doctors immediately to achieve the OECD average of three physicians per 1,000 people.

    The problem of few doctors is worse in so-called "under-serviced" areas, including those outside big cities, and areas with widely dispersed populations. Drive just an hour or two north of Toronto, and there are actually roadside signs pleading with doctors to relocate.

    Several federal parties and provincial governments have devised strategies to lure doctors to underserved regions, including bonuses, and loan forgiveness.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Ahhhhhhh! Suddenly 150,000 doctors went missing the day after this bill was signed!

    Dolt.

    The doctor shortage has been around for decades. It has nothing to do with this law.
    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    True. It will only get worse with the new health care legislation.
    True, but that's the reasons more funding for higher education was added to health care reform legistlation - to try and stave off the anticipated drop off in doctor shortages. Still, as misterman so accurately pointed out, this country has had a shortage on doctors (and nurses) for years.

    Prof,

    What does Canada's doctor shortage have to do with America other than both countries are having the same problem?
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 04-13-10 at 11:45 AM.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    wow

    the lone defender on this thread of this PIG of a bill

    ie, it's THAT bad
    not so much.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    So, it won't increase access to medical care?
    it should decrease emergency room treatment, which is very expensive, with dr office visits, much less expensive. no substantial increase overall, i don't think.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Oh come now this has nothing what ever to do with making anything better it's about destroying the economy.

    Had it been about health care it would have addressed the issues that needed to be fixed.

    Doctors said they didn't want this, The only Doctors that were in favor of it were the White House Janitors in white lab coats at phony photo op.
    why would obama want to destroy our country's economy? sometimes the outrageous statements i read here cause me to wonder about the sanity of some posters.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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