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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

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    You said most. Did you misspell "all"?
    A misspelled word from me would be extremely rare.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

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    A misspelled word from me would be extremely rare.
    So you said most, not all.

    Are there some people who get subsidies who you don't consider freeloaders? Who, and why?

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

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    Most of the people getting health care insurance premium subsidies, which is a sizable group. A family of four making $88,000. and getting a subsidy is a freeloader in my book.
    Well, your book not withstanding, you do realize you have been paying all along. Seriously, without reform, you pay with no accountability to anyone, no mandate that anyone pay their own. This is what I don't understand about the the resistance to this plan. Doing nothing means you continue to pay for others, with little to no check, oversight, call for accountability from anyone. The uninsured continue to have you pay for them.

    As for a family of four making 88,000 a year, that is if you don't get insurance from your employer. What would premiums be if paid by the individual and not through an employer? CNN says such a policy would cost $9,435. We'd only give some $4,220. Helpful to be sure, but not a free ride.

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    Whereas without reform, they can just get the care, and the costs get passed on to you through higher premiums and higher costs. I'm sure you think that is better, though I can't see why.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

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    Well, your book not withstanding, you do realize you have been paying all along. Seriously, without reform, you pay with no accountability to anyone, no mandate that anyone pay their own. This is what I don't understand about the the resistance to this plan. Doing nothing means you continue to pay for others, with little to no check, oversight, call for accountability from anyone. The uninsured continue to have you pay for them.
    We pay one way or the other, so what difference does it make??

    As for a family of four making 88,000 a year, that is if you don't get insurance from your employer. What would premiums be if paid by the individual and not through an employer? CNN says such a policy would cost $9,435. We'd only give some $4,220. Helpful to be sure, but not a free ride.
    Actually, our share is much less than $4,000., just over $1,000. Our share should be zero for someone making that much money.

    Whereas without reform, they can just get the care, and the costs get passed on to you through higher premiums and higher costs. I'm sure you think that is better, though I can't see why.
    You mean the uninsured can get care now ??? I thought it was impossible for the uninsured to get healthcare and thousands died because of it????

    I guess the Dems were lying all that time.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You mean the uninsured can get care now ??? I thought it was impossible for the uninsured to get healthcare and thousands died because of it????

    I guess the Dems were lying all that time.
    Nobody said that the uninsured never get care. Some do, and when they do, it's much more expensive, and you end up paying for it anyway.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So you said most, not all.

    Are there some people who get subsidies who you don't consider freeloaders? Who, and why?
    Still waiting for an answer.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    We pay one way or the other, so what difference does it make??
    We likely pay more under the old system, as there is no oversight to follow costs and show how much is actually appropriate mark up. Paying less matters.

    Actually, our share is much less than $4,000., just over $1,000. Our share should be zero for someone making that much money.
    Helping is not the same as a free ride, and while I'm sure many agree with your opinion of 0, I just want us clear on what we're actually doing. No free ride, just some help.

    You mean the uninsured can get care now ??? I thought it was impossible for the uninsured to get healthcare and thousands died because of it????

    I guess the Dems were lying all that time.
    I do like good sarcasm, but people actually get late care, and not the type of preventive care that would be more cost effective and perhaps save lives. Right now we encourage treatment over health, and too many wait until they are real sick or injured, we treat them and pay for their care. Very ad hoc and not too cost effective or particularly beneficial for those receiving care.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We likely pay more under the old system, as there is no oversight to follow costs and show how much is actually appropriate mark up. Paying less matters.



    Helping is not the same as a free ride, and while I'm sure many agree with your opinion of 0, I just want us clear on what we're actually doing. No free ride, just some help.



    I do like good sarcasm, but people actually get late care, and not the type of preventive care that would be more cost effective and perhaps save lives. Right now we encourage treatment over health, and too many wait until they are real sick or injured, we treat them and pay for their care. Very ad hoc and not too cost effective or particularly beneficial for those receiving care.
    All of the above sounds more like opinion than facts.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    All of the above sounds more like opinion than facts.
    All argument has a certain amount of opinion, but there is support for everything I've said. Who monitors how much hospitals charge for say a bandaid? The hospital here reports that one bandaid costs $16.04. When I asked them why, they said to make up for those who don't pay. it's just one example, but I see no one looking to see if it accurately reflects the cost, or if the hospital is making more money then they need to cover the costs. Can you show me anyone who monitors this?

    And can you really argue that this has effected those who pay? Hasn't effected premiums? That you haven't been paying all along in one way or another? And that this ad hoc way has to be more cost effective?

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    All argument has a certain amount of opinion, but there is support for everything I've said. Who monitors how much hospitals charge for say a bandaid? The hospital here reports that one bandaid costs $16.04. When I asked them why, they said to make up for those who don't pay. it's just one example, but I see no one looking to see if it accurately reflects the cost, or if the hospital is making more money then they need to cover the costs. Can you show me anyone who monitors this?

    And can you really argue that this has effected those who pay? Hasn't effected premiums? That you haven't been paying all along in one way or another? And that this ad hoc way has to be more cost effective?
    Who monitors how much a gallon of milk costs?

    Who monitors how much apartment rent is?

    Who monitors how much a new Ford Focus costs?

    Who monitors how much a plumber charges you to unclog your sink?

    Why do you think anyone needs to monitor the price of anything in the U.S. ?? This is not China or the old USSR where everything is strictly controlled. Price controls have never and will never work.

    Here in the U.S., we monitor our own purchases. I agree that hospital charges should be more transparent so that consumers (patients) can make better informed choices, but no one should monitor hospital charges other than their customers.

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