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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    No, the tooth fairy is going to pay for all the uninsured to join those who pay for thier own insurance.

    Where do you think the money is going to come from?
    What money? Not all 30-45 million people will need or qualify for subsidies. That's the point.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    Why then are we paying taxes on this new law for 4 years before this happens, I am still paying for my existing insurance and I am paying for this new insurance as well.
    Another myth.

    Some of the benefits that will be introduced within the first year:

    Small business tax credits
    Coverage for those with pre-existing conditions
    Assistance for early retirees
    Dependent coverage to age 26
    No more rescissions
    Enhanced preventive care

    Some of the major tax changes will be delayed by a few years:

    Medical device taxes (2013)
    Taxes to benefit Medicare Part A (2013)
    Insurance sector fees (2014)
    Mandated coverage (penalty to start low in 2014 and then phase in through 2016)
    "Cadillac tax" (2018)

    10 percent of the total is raised in the first four years


    PolitiFact | Tiahrt: Health care bill will collect 10 years of taxes for six years of services
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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    What money? Not all 30-45 million people will need or qualify for subsidies. That's the point.

    The money to pay for this new law. Or are you telling me that it is self sufficient?
    Are all the Rupub senators wrong? Is the CBO wrong? Paul Ryan?
    Maybe you know something that the rest of America does'nt?

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Another myth.
    I am still paying taxes for this pig of a law and my current health care premiums.

    Nothing you have posted changes this fact.

    Calling something a myth does not change what it is. Why don't you call this bill a tomato and see if it changes form somehow.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I've read a good amount of it. Perhaps you should read more of it and less of the fear mongering.
    You need to read some more of it. Obviously, you don't know that a large number of people will get subsidies from taxpayers to pay for this pig.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    I am still paying taxes for this pig of a law and my current health care premiums.
    What specific tax, relating to this bill, are you currently paying?
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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    The money to pay for this new law. Or are you telling me that it is self sufficient?
    Are all the Rupub senators wrong? Is the CBO wrong? Paul Ryan?
    Maybe you know something that the rest of America does'nt?
    I repeat - not all 30-45 million people will be "paid for" under this law.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You need to read some more of it. Obviously, you don't know that a large number of people will get subsidies from taxpayers to pay for this pig.
    How many? How much will they get?

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    How many? How much will they get?
    How many?? No one knows the exact number. How many families in the U.S. with four members makes $88,000. or less?? That's how many.

    How much depends on income. For example, people at 133% of the federal poverty level (currently $22,000. for a family of four) will pay a maximum of 3% of income for coverage. People at 400%, will pay a maximum of 9.5%. The taxpayers pay the rest.

    For example, if health coverage for a family of four is $12,000. per year and they make $88,000. a year, the rest of us will subsidize their health care premiums $3,640. The family will pay $8,360. per year. Not a bad deal for them, sucks for the rest of us.

    And that's not even counting the increased number of people that will be eligible for Medicaid.

    You really should read what's in this bill before posting as if you know what it's about.
    Last edited by Gill; 04-19-10 at 09:26 AM.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    How many?? No one knows the exact number. How many families in the U.S. with four members makes $88,000. or less?? That's how many.
    Right. So people should stop going around saying numbers like "35-40 million."

    We don't know how many (though there are plenty of estimates out there) but we do know that not everyone who doesn't have health insurance today lacks it because they can't afford to pay any of the premiums.

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