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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's the problem. Right now we have no way to control the cost, we've been charged for others with no way to monitor it or control it in anyway. It is done completely ad hoc with no real control at all, meaning we likely pay more than it actually costs.

    Supposition.


    This bill will likely lower or reduce the growth of those costs, being more cost effective over all. At a minimum, we should be able to see more of where the money is going, giving us more control. But it won't be as effective as a true universal payer system would be.

    The health care systems in Mass. and Hawaii where this has been tried do not support your claim that this will lower costs.

    What we have now is a compromise effort that won't pay for anything as well as it could, but will likely be less expensive than doing nothing.

    Paying for health care that we currently have and paying taxes to fund this new law in not less expensive than doing nothing.

    The answer to your question is that we are shifting cost and not increasing cost. And if it works, it will lower both costs and premiums, thus saving money in the long run.


    I don't think this goes far enough to do so in a major way, but it is a start and better than doing nothing. But either way, no matter we do, we pay for it. Just as we have been paying for it all along.
    In specific, just how are the costs going to shift?, I see new taxes and I see continued current costs. Put the two together and you don't get the same or less money spent, you get more money spent.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    In specific, just how are the costs going to shift?, I see new taxes and I see continued current costs. Put the two together and you don't get the same or less money spent, you get more money spent.
    Uninsured people will have insurance, reducing the need for hospitals to raise costs to cover them. At a minimum, this should reduce the need to jack up cost. And it might even encourage them to lower prices. There is something in the bill that allows hospitals and doctors to benefit from cost savings, which would also lower costs, thus saving us all money.

    But even if it only stopped the excessive growth, that would be an improvement.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley;
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    Uninsured people will have insurance, reducing the need for hospitals to raise costs to cover them. At a minimum, this should reduce the need to jack up cost. And it might even encourage them to lower prices. There is something in the bill that allows hospitals and doctors to benefit from cost savings, which would also lower costs, thus saving us all money.

    But even if it only stopped the excessive growth, that would be an improvement.
    Are you saying that my current health care costs will go down enough to offset the costs of this new law. because uninsured people will now be insured?
    Why then are we paying taxes on this new law for 4 years before this happens, I am still paying for my existing insurance and I am paying for this new insurance as well.

    Paying for health insurance for 30-45 million people who don't pay for thier own does not give me warm fuzzies BTW

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    Paying for health insurance for 30-45 million people who don't pay for thier own does not give me warm fuzzies BTW
    You aren't going to be paying for health insurance for 30-45 million people.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You aren't going to be paying for health insurance for 30-45 million people.
    No, the tooth fairy is going to pay for all the uninsured to join those who pay for thier own insurance.

    Where do you think the money is going to come from?

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post


    Are you saying that my current health care costs will go down enough to offset the costs of this new law. because uninsured people will now be insured?
    Why then are we paying taxes on this new law for 4 years before this happens, I am still paying for my existing insurance and I am paying for this new insurance as well.

    Paying for health insurance for 30-45 million people who don't pay for thier own does not give me warm fuzzies BTW
    I'm saying it will move in that direction, or at least slow down growth. Yes, it should do that.

    Next to nothing happens over night. No magic bullets. For anything to change, it will take time.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You aren't going to be paying for health insurance for 30-45 million people.
    That's true, and his non response doesn't help him actually address your point either. Many will pick up their own insurance, paying for it themselves.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If you read the bill, you will you would think otherwise.

    Score 10 points for politicians duping the commoners again.
    The American public wasn't duped. They know what it was about.
    Now we're waiting for November to get rid of the Anti American faction in Congress.

    Score 10 points for Leftist politicians using parliamentarian procedures unintended for the purpose to ram through, to screw the American electorate.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's true, and his non response doesn't help him actually address your point either. Many will pick up their own insurance, paying for it themselves.
    You and Misterman would do well to actually read the bill before you embarrass yourselves further. Taxpayers will be picking up all or some of the premium costs for people earning up to $88,000. per year.

    30-45 million people ?? Who knows... the numbers have changed constantly since this debacle was first introduced.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You and Misterman would do well to actually read the bill before you embarrass yourselves further. Taxpayers will be picking up all or some of the premium costs for people earning up to $88,000. per year.

    30-45 million people ?? Who knows... the numbers have changed constantly since this debacle was first introduced.
    I've read a good amount of it. Perhaps you should read more of it and less of the fear mongering.

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