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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Be specific. As the bill has a lot of republican ideas, I would say they were ignored. And if they were not republicans, are you saying there were ignored, or that they just didn't get their ideas in the bill? There is a difference.
    There were ideas that were not included in the bill.
    They had no chance of making it because, they did not do something for large businesses(insurance companies, pharmaceuticals, etc.) and/or specific worker lobbies(doctors, nurses etc.).
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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There were ideas that were not included in the bill.
    They had no chance of making it because, they did not do something for large businesses(insurance companies, pharmaceuticals, etc.) and/or specific worker lobbies(doctors, nurses etc.).
    I'm sure they were, though I'd like to know which ones. I doubt seriously that anything could ever get passed that didn't consider those lobbies, and some of that would be appropriate. Not all, but some.

    The bill didn't go far enough, and I personally hoped for it to go farther, but that would have made conservatives even less happy. But with something, there is a starting place that might lead to better reform later on.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm sure they were, though I'd like to know which ones. I doubt seriously that anything could ever get passed that didn't consider those lobbies, and some of that would be appropriate. Not all, but some.

    The bill didn't go far enough, and I personally hoped for it to go farther, but that would have made conservatives even less happy. But with something, there is a starting place that might lead to better reform later on.
    Squeezing the patent ownership time for pharma would have been really good as well as normalizing or eliminating scope of practice laws.

    Ending the cap on doctors residency could of helped loads but that didn't have a hot chance in hell of happening.
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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    unfortunately, instead obtuse obama sold out---the SECRET DEAL WITH PHRMA

    Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma

    party on, progressives

    be PROUD!

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm sure they were, though I'd like to know which ones. I doubt seriously that anything could ever get passed that didn't consider those lobbies, and some of that would be appropriate. Not all, but some.

    The bill didn't go far enough, and I personally hoped for it to go farther, but that would have made conservatives even less happy. But with something, there is a starting place that might lead to better reform later on.
    Maybe you can tell us how to pay for this thing that you think did not go far enough?

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    Maybe you can tell us how to pay for this thing that you think did not go far enough?
    Don't you know? The "rich" can pay for it.
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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I really don't understand why this doctor shortage issue has suddenly become a problem for the average Joe. If you have a family doctor whom you see regularly (atleast once every 4-6 months), as long as that doctor doesn't retire or change/relocate his/her practise outside your reach, there really shouldn't be a problem.

    While I do understand the concern being raised, this nation's doctor/nurse shortage really is old news, folks. It's just getting alot more attention since health care reform legistlation has been passed. And while I understand the rationale behind those who honestly see this as a problem directly related to passage of the health care reform bill, I think the matter will correct itself. You'll start seeing more advertising for people to go into the medical field. The medical profession as a whole will regroup and start figuring out how to do more with less; technology will lead the way and close some of the gaps for a time, but eventually the system will correct itself. It always does when people put real thought behind a problem.
    The moguls of rant radio have predicted that something like 45% of the doctors will leave the country if health care passes. Since it did pass, and since guys like Rush and Beck are always right, we can expect to see a huge exodus just any time now, so the doctor shortage will get worse.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Come back when you have a rational question.
    It's already rational - but obviously you have no answer.
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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    obama is such an idiot

    uncertainty is a VIRUS in difficult economic times

    and yet no one, admit it, really knows EVERYTHING that's in this health care bill

    ie, how it will affect you, me, our families, friends, fellow workers...

    no one, admit it, knows EXACTLY how all these huge SOCIAL and economic changes are gonna touch us and ours

    this idiot obama ACTIVELY breeds uncertainty with his every stumbling step

    health care, cap and trade, wall street reg reform...

    just how are business, investment, consumption to proceed with so many querulous question marks standing, obstacle like, between us and our progress?

    in such dim, dark days?

    uncertainty, uncertainty, uncertainty, like a virus, worries us with our every transaction

    here, the grey lady, ny times, exposes our own CONGRESSIONAL REPS, they're as in-the-dark about all these doubts as anybody else

    ie, it's THAT bad

    Washington Memo - Baffled by Health Plan? So Are Some Lawmakers - NYTimes.com

    party on, progressives

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Squeezing the patent ownership time for pharma would have been really good as well as normalizing or eliminating scope of practice laws.
    Just out of curiosity, when the pharmaceutical company (Pfizer for instance) spends billions of dollars in R&D to develop one drug, how long do you think they should be able to keep the patent?

    When you make the patent even shorter then it already is, how do you think that would affect spending on the R&D and how many drugs are developed in the future?

    I heard a pharma CEO recently say that if the profit margins for his company are reduced, it wouldn't be worthwhile for them to stay in the medical pharmaceutical industry. Instead, they would just switch to making vitamins and supplements - where profit margins are much higher. Think investors might do the same?

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