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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
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    So, I don't think the quality of care will go down nor will the quality of the educated professional. ....
    If the government takes on the role of determining who enters the professions based on social factors rather than scholastic ones, the quality will go down. I know that currently, nursing schools are highly competitive and entrance is primarily based on scholastic qualifications. When you lower the standards for entrance, based on factors other than qualifications, decreased quality will be one of the results.
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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Prof,

    I'm not worried about power or prestige, right or wrong. If in sharing my views helps to enlighten or expand one's ideas or knowledge, great! If everyone swept past my posts and never read them, well atleast I tried to inform. That's all any of us can do, i.e., your obsession with facts and linked articles to support them.

    To each his own. Regardless, you can bet if I truly felt compelled to go the route you have, I'd do my research and put up countless links to support my claims. At this point, I'm content with reading what others have to say, hopefully gain some insight, and yes, share my "opinion" on the matter at hand.
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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    If the government takes on the role of determining who enters the professions based on social factors rather than scholastic ones, the quality will go down. I know that currently, nursing schools are highly competitive and entrance is primarily based on scholastic qualifications. When you lower the standards for entrance, based on factors other than qualifications, decreased quality will be one of the results.
    I agree. We'll just have to hope that qualification levels are set high to ensure only the cream of the crop serves the public rather than the cream of the crap.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    For those who are looking for the actual analysis on the physician shortage issue, the report is available at: http://www.aamc.org/newsroom/presski...shortagefs.pdf

    Per the AAMC's document, the recent health legislation's impact would amount to a demand-side shock, not a supply shock.

    Some hypothetical numbers to illustrate the point of how a demand shock increases a shortage when there is no impact on supply:

    Scenario 1: No health law changes:

    2010
    Patients: 1,000
    Doctors: 200
    Patient/Doctor Ratio: 5.0

    2020
    Patients: 1,800
    Doctors: 300
    Patient/Doctor Ratio: 6.0

    Based on maintaining the earlier ratio, there would be a "shortage" of 60 physicians by 2020 (P2020/PDRatio2010)-D2020 = (1800/5)-300 = 60

    Scenario 2: Health law changes lead to 150 Additional Patients:

    2010
    Patients: 1,000
    Doctors: 200
    Patient/Doctor Ratio: 5.0

    2020
    Patients: 1,950
    Doctors: 300
    Patient/Doctor Ratio: 6.5

    Based on maintaining the earlier ratio, there would be a "shortage" of 90 physicians by 2020 (P2020/PDRatio2010)-D2020 = (1950/5)-300 = 90

    Under the hypothetical illustration, the shortage increases purely from a demand-side shock. No changes in the expected supply of physicians has occurred.

    That's the scenario being painted by the AAMC document on the physician shortage. The document declares, "The United States is expected to face a shortage of 124,000-159,000 physicians by 2025. Potential reforms, such as universal health care coverage, will add to overall demand for doctors and increase the projected shortfall by 25 percent." The document does not mention that such reforms would decrease the supply of physicians relative to what would exist in the absence of such reform.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Most people will not have "free access" to medical care.
    you can say that again

    they gotta go out and buy it themselves

    and health insurance aint cheap

    furthermore, if they don't go out and buy it, they're facing fines and even jail time down the road

    handwritten letter from thomas barthold, chief of staff for jct (joint cmte taxation) to senator ensign

    http://www.politico.com/static/PPM11...document2.html

    Democrats: Buy health insurance or go to jail

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    This is the most important one.
    OK, why? (ala debate politics)

    12. No increased quality of care.
    According to who? In that same list it notes that patients were getting gourmet meals, private rooms, family accommodations, upscale service. Clearly quality was different. Are you saying the BMW driving experience isn't a higher quality driving experience?

    Doctor owned hospitals get larger share of highdollar patients,
    How do they do this exactly? They attract patients because of their higher quality care, marketing, etc. They likely even attract them simply beacuse they cost more. Desginer clothes don't really look or function differently than Target's version, so we ban designer clothing? This is a matter of public policy?

    leaving full hospitals with lower income patients and having to cut services because of the loss of higher paying patients.
    Yes. Corollas have reduced "services" because a lot of the auto-spend is on lexus, SUVs, BMW, and Mercedes. And this is a matter of government intervention why?

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    oh, my...

    the more we learn about this PIG of a bill...

    why didn't the party think of these things, y'know, in advance?

    Healthcare overhaul won't stop premium increases - latimes.com

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    (CNSNews.com) ? The new health care overhaul law ? that promised increased access and efficiency in health care ? will prevent doctor-owned hospitals from adding more rooms and more beds. >>

    They forgot to mention that they won't be needed because new non-profit clinics will take their place.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    There are more options than "doing nothing" and "possible disaster".
    Few to none actually presented. And remember, republicans had a good amount of time to do something if they were inclined to do so.

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    Re: 60 doctor-owned hospitals canceled due to new health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Few to none actually presented. And remember, republicans had a good amount of time to do something if they were inclined to do so.
    There are people who had ideas that weren't Republicans.
    They were ignored for the most part.
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