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    Re: Obama: We're still working on our democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Well, I'm not having a discussion with a grown up, now, am I?
    Your ad-hom has been noted.
    When you have something worthwhile to add, please let me know.

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    Re: Obama: We're still working on our democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes, yes it is; your statement to this effect demostrates a willfull mis-understanding of the term.

    So, at this point, its clear you are simply trolling.

    No, it's not, and it is you side stepping the point. You're free to do so, but that too is noted.

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    Re: Obama: We're still working on our democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, it's not, and it is you side stepping the point.
    Really? OK....

    Democracy:
    Main Entry: de·moc·ra·cy
    Pronunciation: \di-ˈmä-krə-sē\
    Function: noun
    Inflected Form(s): plural de·moc·ra·cies
    Etymology: Middle French democratie, from Late Latin democratia, from Greek dēmokratia, from dēmos + -kratia -cracy
    Date: 1576
    a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority
    b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

    Thus, the only "rule of law" inherent to democracy is that the elections be free and the results of same recognized and implemented.

    Prove that, given the definition, democracy cannot exist w/o due process or preotection from search/seizure/unusual punishment.

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    Re: Obama: We're still working on our democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Really? OK....

    Democracy:
    Main Entry: de·moc·ra·cy
    Pronunciation: \di-ˈmä-krə-sē\
    Function: noun
    Inflected Form(s): plural de·moc·ra·cies
    Etymology: Middle French democratie, from Late Latin democratia, from Greek dēmokratia, from dēmos + -kratia -cracy
    Date: 1576
    a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority
    b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

    Thus, the only "rule of law" inherent to democracy is that the elections be free and the results of same recognized and implemented.

    Prove that, given the definition, democracy cannot exist w/o due process or preotection from search/seizure/unusual punishment.
    Again, you're skipping over the point. You can't be sure the law that makes them free and recognized will hold if laws can be ignored. Democracy requires we have faith in the laws. If we don't, they are meaningless. And we lose faith when laws can be broken to suit any particular leader.

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    Re: Obama: We're still working on our democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, you're skipping over the point.
    On the contrary -- I have addressed it directly.
    Democracy requires just one rule of law, as described and as demonstrated.
    Faith in THAT law is all that is necessary for there to be democracy
    Prove otherwise, as per your claim.

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    Re: Obama: We're still working on our democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    On the contrary -- I have addressed it directly.
    Democracy requires just one rule of law, as described and as demonstrated.
    Faith in THAT law is all that is necessary for there to be democracy
    Prove otherwise, as per your claim.
    You can't have faith in that law if you have no faith in other laws. Our faith is not that divided. If one law can be broken, all laws can be broken, so there can be no faith in any ONE law.

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    Re: Obama: We're still working on our democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You can't have faith in that law if you have no faith in other laws.
    You're simply repeating yourself; this does nothing to prove your claim.
    Yo have not, and can not, shown a necessary relationship between democracy and due procees, etc.

    By your argument, if the 4th and 6th amendments were repealed, we'd cease to be a democracy -- the adsurdity of which is plain on its face.

    And at this point, your trolling ends.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 04-14-10 at 05:48 PM.

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    Re: Obama: We're still working on our democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Well, I'm not having a discussion with a grown up, now, am I?
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    Re: Obama: We're still working on our democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Obama: We're still working on our democracy | The Cable

    The two obvious questions:
    -What is/was wrong with our democracy?
    -What has The Obama done to improve it?
    what a complete non story.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Obama: We're still working on our democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You're simply repeating yourself; this does nothing to prove your claim.
    Yo have not, and can not, shown a necessary relationship between democracy and due procees, etc.

    By your argument, if the 4th and 6th amendments were repealed, we'd cease to be a democracy -- the adsurdity of which is plain on its face.

    And at this point, your trolling ends.
    What you show here is you that you don't understand what is being said. Repealing an amendment is within the law. You can't have a valid conversation if you don't understand the argument before you.

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