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    Re: Obama: We're still working on our democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You are mistaken. Where rule of law is ignored, there are no assurances, anywhere.
    And what you fail to comprehend is that the only "rule of law" necessary in a democracy is that the elections be free and the results recognized and implemented; the only real question at this point is if this failure to comprehend is deliberate.

    Due process, protection from unreasonablke search and unusual punishment - or even "freedom" in general - are NOT necessary in order to have a democracy; it is imposible for you to show the necessary relationship between these things and democracy because said necessary relationship does not exist.

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    Re: Obama: We're still working on our democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    No democracy is perfect. There's always room for improvement. I think America needs to scrap it's two party system, it just doesn't seem like it works.

    I think proportional representation is the closest thing we can get to true democracy at this point
    , it allows for so many parties to get in, and get their views across, rather then having two bloated political machines that do nothing but bash eachother instead of getting **** done.
    And when seats in congress start becoming filled up by members of National Socialist Movement, will that make you happy that representative democracy has created an illiberal legislature?
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    Re: Obama: We're still working on our democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    No democracy is perfect. There's always room for improvement. I think America needs to scrap it's two party system, it just doesn't seem like it works.

    I think proportional representation is the closest thing we can get to true democracy at this point, it allows for so many parties to get in, and get their views across, rather then having two bloated political machines that do nothing but bash eachother instead of getting **** done.
    For crying out loud, did you ever read what the founders said about democracies? You want something close to democracy. This is just getting to be unbelieveable. We don't have a two party system by law, so how will you scrap it?
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    Re: Obama: We're still working on our democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    the issue here is what The Obama thnks is a problem, and how He has improved the situation, as claimed.

    But, you apparently aren't interested in actually discussing THAT.
    The answers you seek can be found with Mr. Obama. However, it appears that you are less interested in getting the answers you seek from the only person that has them, than you are in complaining about him.




    Tip: The "The Obama" crap pegs you as a partisan hater from the git go. If you really wish to have a grown-up discussion, you'll have to act like a grown up, first.

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    Re: Obama: We're still working on our democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And what you fail to comprehend is that the only "rule of law" necessary in a democracy is that the elections be free and the results recognized and implemented; the only real question at this point is if this failure to comprehend is deliberate.

    Due process, protection from unreasonablke search and unusual punishment - or even "freedom" in general - are NOT necessary in order to have a democracy; it is imposible for you to show the necessary relationship between these things and democracy because said necessary relationship does not exist.


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    you can't abide by one law and break others without losing faith in all laws. I'm sorry, but you have it wrong. Once you start ignoring rule of law, nothing is certain.

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    Re: Obama: We're still working on our democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    The answers you seek can be found with Mr. Obama. However, it appears that you are less interested in getting the answers you seek from the only person that has them, than you are in complaining about him.
    Just looking for answers to perfectly legitimate questions.

    Tip: The "The Obama" crap pegs you as a partisan hater from the git go.
    A "partisan hater"? Thats -your- idea of grown-up discussion?

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    Re: Obama: We're still working on our democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    you can't abide by one law and break others without losing faith in all laws. I'm sorry, but you have it wrong. Once you start ignoring rule of law, nothing is certain.
    What part of "the only "rule of law" necessary in a democracy is that the elections be free and the results recognized and implemented" do you not understand?

    The fact thay you have failed to demonstrate the --necessary-- relationship betwen democracy and the protections you listed illustrate beyond any doubt that YOU have it wrong.

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    Re: Obama: We're still working on our democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    What part of "the only "rule of law" necessary in a democracy is that the elections be free and the results recognized and implemented" do you not understand?

    The fact thay you have failed to demonstrate the --necessary-- relationship betwen democracy and the protections you listed illustrate beyond any doubt that YOU have it wrong.
    What you don't seem to understand is that you are wrong with that assertion. That is not the only law needed. When rule of law is violated, the government loses legitimacy. When it does, all laws become a concern because nothing stops the government from breaking them if it can get away with breaking any other law. Laws are meaningless if they can be broken at will.

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    Re: Obama: We're still working on our democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Just looking for answers to perfectly legitimate questions.
    Then you're looking in the wrong place. Try the White House.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    A "partisan hater"? Thats -your- idea of grown-up discussion?
    Well, I'm not having a discussion with a grown up, now, am I?

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    Re: Obama: We're still working on our democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What you don't seem to understand is that you are wrong with that assertion. That is not the only law needed.
    Yes, yes it is; your statement to this effect demostrates a willfull mis-understanding of the term.

    So, at this point, its clear you are simply trolling.


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