Obama & Co. Want National Biometric ID

danarhea said:

Actually, if you own a cell phone, the government already has, not only the ability to track your every move, but to listen in on your conversations, if they decide to do so, even with the phone turned off. The only way to circumvent it is to remove the batteries.

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You are too funny... For the government to tap a phone, they need a warrant. But this can be circumvented with the Patriot Act. Now for phones that are off, once you power them down, they are down. There is no such thing of the mic still running when the phone is off. That's like saying my computer is sending information when the computer is off, rubbish. Sure phones can be activated remotely,IF its firmware allows remote startup just like wake-up lan on most computers. And even then, the phone will be turned on when you didn't turn them on, so that would raise a red flag even if they somehow got to this point.

And onto the whole RFID business, they are reference data. And if it's done correctly, SSN can be stored on it. Who care if they can read your SSN, they need the biometric data to authenticate the SSN that goes with that card. It's a double security system that some companies use with the setup of a RFID card and a pin or a biometric scan. Heck, some use all 3, RFID card, pin number, then a retinal, or fingerprint scanner. RFID is impractical to be used as a pinpoint accuracy tracker, first you need to install readers possibly at choke-points where people have to go through, but those can be easily circumvented if someone really wants to hide. And it's like a package, it can only tell you are in the region, not pinpoint your exact location.

danarhea said:

Actually, if you own a cell phone, the government already has, not only the ability to track your every move, but to listen in on your conversations, if they decide to do so, even with the phone turned off. The only way to circumvent it is to remove the batteries.

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Yes, I know, it's why I'm a paranoid loon now. My bunker is almost done.

MCS117 said:

You are too funny... For the government to tap a phone, they need a warrant. But this can be circumvented with the Patriot Act.

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Warrant! Hahahahaha! What a naive kid.

Okay, seriously, the fact is that Bush violated a law that required warrants for wiretaps, but the Patriot Act didn't make it legal or allow anyone to circumvent that law. The Patriot Act had little to do with wiretaps. Its the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act that governs this, and it was in place when Bush did his illegal wiretaps.

Harry Guerrilla said:

They are going to try to slip this in with the new immigration amnesty bill.

The second worst part of it is the guest worker program, that is why the Republicans are supporting it.

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The republicans want cheap labor ... and they need to be told no and then be kicked in the ass for taking the bread out of the mouth of every American.

Vader said:

The republicans want cheap labor ... and they need to be told no and then be kicked in the ass for taking the bread out of the mouth of every American.

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Can't agree more.

It's odd that in red states, in overwhelmingly red districts, that illegals and their employers go untouched. :thinking

danarhea said:

Actually, if you own a cell phone, the government already has, not only the ability to track your every move, but to listen in on your conversations, if they decide to do so, even with the phone turned off. The only way to circumvent it is to remove the batteries.

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Indeed, and I really think that there needs to be something explicitly written down and passed which prevented the government from being able to do any of that. Also, I'd remove that "can't be sued" crap the government passed so that the cell phone companies would hand over records and stuff like that. That seems incredibly bad.

Ikari said:

Indeed, and I really think that there needs to be something explicitly written down and passed which prevented the government from being able to do any of that.

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There already is.

The key is getting the government to respect it.

Jerry said:

So how's all that hope and change workin out for ya?

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You can't always get what you want.