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    Re: Stockton cop earns $100K in Overtime!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    How else do you issue traffic fines without police?
    What percentage of traffic fines - after deducting the cost of paying the police $12 an hour to issue them - supports your town's budget?

    I did say they were decent arbitrators but as you know they are a reactionary force.
    They don't usually prevent anything, that is why your safety is your job

    That is the purpose they serve.
    They prevent plenty. People who might commit a crime decide not to because they know the cops will try to catch them afterward, even if they don't prevent the crime. And criminals know that citizens can't prevent everything either, even if they do take responsibility for it.

    Duh.

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    Re: Stockton cop earns $100K in Overtime!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Agree its pretty cool



    Please go read the length of time.... just read the thread again please. I tire of repeating what i have already written. You are beginning to dehydrate me
    I worked for a police agency for five years. My experience pwns yours.

    Nice try, though.

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    Re: Stockton cop earns $100K in Overtime!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    They prevent plenty. People who might commit a crime decide not to because they know the cops will try to catch them afterward, even if they don't prevent the crime. And criminals know that citizens can't prevent everything either, even if they do take responsibility for it.

    Duh.
    There are a number of different ways that crime prevention works. Here's one of them. We knew that alot of gang members in our community were carrying guns. Our officers did pro-active traffic stops of known gang members and asked for permission to search their cars. They almost always agreed, and we recovered, over the course of a year, hundreds of handguns.

    Every handgun we recovered from a known gang member represents how many crimes prevented? And not just shootings...robberies, carjackings, etc.

    Another crime prevention strategy that our officers created was to do interviews with victims of gang-related shootings and their families/friends within an hour of the crime. The officers told them: "If you retaliate, we will come and arrest you. Let us handle the crime." This dropped our drive-by shootings in our community by 50%.

    You literally have no idea what officers are doing in your community while you're tucked safe in your bed at night to prevent crime.

    The cops I worked with were constantly thinking of better ways to do their jobs.

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    Re: Stockton cop earns $100K in Overtime!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    How else do you issue traffic fines without police?




    I did say they were decent arbitrators but as you know they are a reactionary force.
    They don't usually prevent anything, that is why your safety is your job.

    That is the purpose they serve.
    I disagree. Just the presence of a police officer can prevent crimes. Kind of like how a kid may drink and smoke and have sex behind their parents back, but they're not going to do it if their parents are home.

    In my little townhouse community, there is a police officer who lives among us. He rents one of the townhouses, just like the rest of us. But he brings his car home every night. So right there, in the middle of all of our homes, is a cop car. How likely do you think it would be for a potential burglar to choose OUR townhouses to rob over the ones up the street with no cop car sitting out front?

    It was one of the selling points for me to move in there. It didn't hurt that said cop is a young, totally ripped, very attractive guy, but I digress...

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    Re: Stockton cop earns $100K in Overtime!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    There are a number of different ways that crime prevention works. Here's one of them. We knew that alot of gang members in our community were carrying guns. Our officers did pro-active traffic stops of known gang members and asked for permission to search their cars. They almost always agreed, and we recovered, over the course of a year, hundreds of handguns.

    Every handgun we recovered from a known gang member represents how many crimes prevented? And not just shootings...robberies, carjackings, etc.

    Another crime prevention strategy that our officers created was to do interviews with victims of gang-related shootings and their families/friends within an hour of the crime. The officers told them: "If you retaliate, we will come and arrest you. Let us handle the crime." This dropped our drive-by shootings in our community by 50%.

    You literally have no idea what officers are doing in your community while you're tucked safe in your bed at night to prevent crime.

    The cops I worked with were constantly thinking of better ways to do their jobs.
    Nah, buy a handgun and you're completely safe forever.

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    Re: Stockton cop earns $100K in Overtime!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    What percentage of traffic fines - after deducting the cost of paying the police $12 an hour to issue them - supports your town's budget?
    Depends on the cost of the ticket.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    They prevent plenty. People who might commit a crime decide not to because they know the cops will try to catch them afterward, even if they don't prevent the crime. And criminals know that citizens can't prevent everything either, even if they do take responsibility for it.

    Duh.
    Of course a citizen can't but your acting as if police are the first line of personal defense, which they are not.

    Maybe I over generalized it a bit but then at the same time you have locks on your car, home and you put money in a bank for a reason.
    You do things every day to prevent or make it harder for people to do stuff to you.
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    Re: Stockton cop earns $100K in Overtime!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Nah, buy a handgun and you're completely safe forever.
    Now you're just being a jackass.
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    Re: Stockton cop earns $100K in Overtime!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Now you're just being a jackass.


    Now????


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    Re: Stockton cop earns $100K in Overtime!!!

    I don't suppose they could reduce OT hours by hiring a few more cops????
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    Re: Stockton cop earns $100K in Overtime!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I don't suppose they could reduce OT hours by hiring a few more cops????
    Hiring new officers can actually be more expensive than paying overtime when you consider the cost of equipment, training, fringe, benefits, etc. It's a fine line. On the surface, you'd think that you could just hire another officer for $100k.

    But, in reality, it would probably be more. You're talking about thousands in training, plus equipment (uniforms, vest, badge, gun, baton, etc.), plus fringe & FICA & benefits & vcacation & state retirement fund. It's a lot to hire officers. And, what if you are using grant dollars, and can't afford to keep that person on board when the grant runs out? that's why departments often pay out grant funds in overtime versus hiring.

    That's one of the things that made the COPS program under Clinton different, he required departments to hire new officers and put them on the streets.

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