• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

We are a Christian Nation....

When Obama Kisses the ass of the muslims in a foreign country and says this is not a Christian nation he needs to be stopped..........

LOL...but you thought it was perfectly fine when your "Great and Inspired World Leader" was kissing up to the Bin Laden family and in bed with all his oil buddy Saudi's. :roll:
 
78% are lost and need to be found.

Honestly, have no problems with the thought of Jesus risiing from the dead as I do think stuff of a mystical nature like this can happen. What bothers me is the whole Virgin Mary and Son of God concept.
 
I guess I don't really get what the point of this thread is, other than to bait people. A majority of the people in this country are Christian. So what? It doesn't change the fact that this country allows freedom of religion and that many US citizens have many different non-Christian religions that are just as legitimate. To me, spiritual belief is a deeply personal thing. If you are so secure in your religious beliefs and take pride in them for yourself, why do you feel the need to arrogantly brag about it? I personally, don't think of this as very Christian-like behavior. Jesus was depicted in the Bible to be a very humble, kind and generous man. Do you honestly think, if he were alive today, that he would be engaging in what is essentially a "my religion's penis is bigger than your religion's penis" type of argument?
 
Last edited:
These aren't companies. :confused:

Price fixing, market manipulation, unfair labor practices, lack of competition.

Which is why I asked for more information.

So you're in favor of the federal government telling private businesses how much they can sell their products for, how to market their product, how to hire/fire, what rules they have for their employees?

Lack of competition....how would the federal government fix that?
 
Barry cant even figure out what color he is...

Oh he is a very strong BLACK MAN! The First BLACK POTUS;)

He knows it and so does the rest of this country which is why so many folks are all in a hate frenzy:roll:
 
Which is why I asked for more information.

So you're in favor of the federal government telling private businesses how much they can sell their products for, how to market their product, how to hire/fire, what rules they have for their employees?

To a certain extent, yes. I'm not advocating total control. This isn't an all or nothing situation.

Lack of competition....how would the federal government fix that?

Anti-Trust laws, outlaw monopolies.
 
LOL...but you thought it was perfectly fine when your "Great and Inspired World Leader" was kissing up to the Bin Laden family and in bed with all his oil buddy Saudi's. :roll:

The Bin laden family has nothing zero zilch to do with terrorism or Osama. Osama and his family parted ways right after the Gulf War. And the Bin Laden family were the ones that disclosed what they knew of him. The Bin Ladens are just a business family.
 
Contrary to what many of our left wing friends believe:

78% Think Jesus Christ Rose from the Dead

78% Think Jesus Christ Rose from the Dead - Rasmussen Reports

Today's the day Christians believe Jesus Christ was resurrected from the dead, and 78% of Americans share that belief.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 10% don't believe Christ rose from the dead, and another 11% are not sure.

1) Easter is not the day that Christ rose from the dead. It is the day that event is commonly celebrated.

Of course, Christians celebrate the mortal death and later resurrection every day, so the need for Easter is rather irrelevant. Moreover, as is typical of the major Christian "holidays", the specific days selected have been corrupted over time by the Catholic Church... just as the Church piggy-backed on a long standing pagan celebration of the winter solstice to celebrate the birth of Christ (no one knows when he was actually born), Easter is rooted in a pagan celebration of fertility (hence eggs and bunnies). That said, at least the Resurrection is related to the passover.

2) We are not a Christian nation as amendment #1 says so:

"...Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

3) So are we a nation of Christians?

a) Well, just because 78% believe in the resurrection does not make 78% of the nation Christian. Satan knows Christ was the Son of God and knows of the Resurrection, that does not make Satan a Christian.

b) If we are truly a nation of Christians the tone and temperament of our nation, in general, and political discourse, in particular would be vastly different then what we are seeing.

c) There is much, much more to being Christian then merely believing Christ rose from the dead. There is the whole New Testament that tells you what being a Christian is. Very, very few have read it, even those in church.


I submit that the number of Christians in this country is but a small subset of the 78%... hence, we are not even a nation of Christians

Why do we want to be a Christian nation? Why do people obsess over this? Careful what you wish for! Our founders saw wisdom in the separation of the church and the state. Many of our (and their) fore fathers left religious persecution in Europe where affairs of church and state were commingled. The result was dysfunctional for the church and, to a lesser degree, the state. Religion gets to thrive in America because of this separation. Christians are the last people that should want a "Christian State"... There are over 3000 varieties of Christianity. The religion is more prolific than an amoeba in the way it divides and reproduces.

I really don't understand why many of us think it desirable to call America a Christian nation. We (Christians) are not of this world. Leave the state out of our church and we will leave the church out of the state (which is different than Christians running for office and determining right and wrong based upon their moral compass).
 
Last edited:
Why not total control?

Do you really need me to explain that?


Why outlaw monopolies? Why not let the people decide who stays in business and who doesn't?

Because monopolies game the system. Also, how can the people choose when there is only one option?
 
The Bin laden family has nothing zero zilch to do with terrorism or Osama. Osama and his family parted ways right after the Gulf War. And the Bin Laden family were the ones that disclosed what they knew of him. The Bin Ladens are just a business family.

Hamza bin Laden?
Mohammad bin Osama bin Laden?
Saad bin Laden?
Omar Osama bin Laden?
Mahrous bin Laden?
 
Oh he is a very strong BLACK MAN! The First BLACK POTUS;)

He knows it and so does the rest of this country which is why so many folks are all in a hate frenzy:roll:

I don't know anyone that is in a frenzy because of how much pigment is in his skin. I'm curious as to why people on both sides seem to find it relevant to mention the President's skin color. I thought we'd be beyond that in 2010. Move on to more substantive things, I say.
 
Do you really need me to explain that?




Because monopolies game the system. Also, how can the people choose when there is only one option?

Yes, I do.

And....when is there only one option? Like....poor parents who can't afford to send their kids to a private school so they have to send them to the crappy public school in town that has burnt-out teachers and corrupt administrators? That's the first thought that came to mind when you said "only one option". :)
 
Bottom Line...

Because like 90 some odd percent of our 'founding fathers' were Christians does not make this a country "founded on christian principles"... it makes this a country "founded by people... who happened to be christian."

Because 70 some odd percent of Americans 'claim' to be christian does not make this a "Christian Nation" it makes this a country that ... happens to have a lot of Christians living in it.

One question though,

W T F is the significance of this, honestly?

Is it one of those touchy feely things for you people or what?
 
Yes, I do.

And....when is there only one option? Like....poor parents who can't afford to send their kids to a private school so they have to send them to the crappy public school in town that has burnt-out teachers and corrupt administrators? That's the first thought that came to mind when you said "only one option". :)

If the govt. had total control we wouldn't have a capitalist economy. We wouldn't have choice.

If there wasn't anti-trust regulations there would only be one option in lots of sectors. Standard Oil comes to mind. In many places people don't have a choice in who they get their electricity and natural gas from.
 
Do you really need me to explain that?




Because monopolies game the system. Also, how can the people choose when there is only one option?

Offtopic but I hate Timewarner and people can whine about how I can get frigging dish or whatever. Guess what? I do not want that! I want CABLE:roll:
 
Bottom Line...

Because like 90 some odd percent of our 'founding fathers' were Christians does not make this a country "founded on christian principles"... it makes this a country "founded by people... who happened to be christian."

Because 70 some odd percent of Americans 'claim' to be christian does not make this a "Christian Nation" it makes this a country that ... happens to have a lot of Christians living in it.

One question though,

W T F is the significance of this, honestly?

Is it one of those touchy feely things for you people or what?

We are a nation built on Christianity. Truth hurts, but you're gonna have to get over it.
 
I don't know anyone that is in a frenzy because of how much pigment is in his skin. I'm curious as to why people on both sides seem to find it relevant to mention the President's skin color. I thought we'd be beyond that in 2010. Move on to more substantive things, I say.

Why are you calling me out? "I" am not the one that brought it up and sugggest you ask the person that did suggest that he does not even know what skin color he is. :roll:

And if you think nobody is in a "frenzy" over his skincolor? I suggest you take a look at the TeaParty, FreeRepub, FoxNews weboards and then maybe you will understand what I am talking about.
 
Hamza bin Laden?
Mohammad bin Osama bin Laden?
Saad bin Laden?
Omar Osama bin Laden?
Mahrous bin Laden?

Lmao! No not that side of the family. The real estate developers and clothes designers from NYC. But yes, there is way too many Bin Ladens!
 
We are a nation built on Christianity. Truth hurts, but you're gonna have to get over it.

no, your a nation built by christians, on the foundation of (for the most part) freedom.
 
Last edited:
Bottom Line...

Because like 90 some odd percent of our 'founding fathers' were Christians does not make this a country "founded on christian principles"... it makes this a country "founded by people... who happened to be christian."

Because 70 some odd percent of Americans 'claim' to be christian does not make this a "Christian Nation" it makes this a country that ... happens to have a lot of Christians living in it.

One question though,

W T F is the significance of this, honestly?

Is it one of those touchy feely things for you people or what?

Except that might neutralize the impact of Christianity upon the citizens and the leaders. When there is a near universal acceptance of the existence of a Christian polity, with far less diversity than currently exists, it seems to me obvious to not need to make a distinction between "happened to be" and "was." There are many ways that a Christian identity will flow through governance, social values, and so forth, which to them seemed rather natural.

This does not necessarily mean that this needs to remain that way, but in the pursuit of aiming to have "the founding fathers" on their side, people go out of their way to personalize the history, which, yeah, the OP has a habit of doing.
 
Last edited:
Contrary to what many of our left wing friends believe:

78% Think Jesus Christ Rose from the Dead

78% Think Jesus Christ Rose from the Dead - Rasmussen Reports

Today's the day Christians believe Jesus Christ was resurrected from the dead, and 78% of Americans share that belief.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 10% don't believe Christ rose from the dead, and another 11% are not sure.


So, your point is we are a nation of hypocrites then?

Because we sure do not act like Jesus. How many people did Jesus torture? When did Jesus say that helping the poor was a communist plot? How many innocent people did Jesus kill to control their resources? Did Jesus defend the money changers? Did Jesus shun those whose sexual preferences were not the same as his own?
 
We are a nation built on Christianity. Truth hurts, but you're gonna have to get over it.


What is your proof we were built on Christianity?

Don't give me that "Well almost all of our founding fathers were christians and said christian stuff in their writings!!"

Because that holds true only if I can run around saying that my House was one built on Islam just because the crew who built it happened to all be Muslims.
 
Except that might neutralize the impact of Christianity upon the citizens and the leaders. When there is a near universal acceptance of the existence of a Christian polity, with far less diversity than currently exists, it seems to me obvious to not need to make a distinction between "happened to be" and "was." There are many ways that a Christian identity will flow through governance, social values, and so forth, which to them seemed rather natural.
I think this bolded large part here (my emphasis) sums up why I stated "happened to be." Even at this time in history, those of many cultures had a tendency to find the same or very similar social values (maybe not governance), and find the same moral acceptances in the actions of man (again, not all, Im talking of civilized people here). Which In my opinion has little to do, specifically, with christ and more to do with the fact that "it just seemed natural".
Its my opinion that they didn't set the standards where they were because "christ commands it!" they set them there because they knew it was the right thing to do.

This does not necessarily mean that this needs to remain that way, but in the pursuit of aiming to have "the founding fathers" on their side, people go out of their way to personalize the history, which, yeah, the OP has a habit of doing.

And this brings me back to my original question..

What is the significance of what religious majority happened to be in charge when we were founding our nation. What does that have to do with today?

Nobody has bothered to explain it.
 
Why are you calling me out? "I" am not the one that brought it up and sugggest you ask the person that did suggest that he does not even know what skin color he is. :roll:

And if you think nobody is in a "frenzy" over his skincolor? I suggest you take a look at the TeaParty, FreeRepub, FoxNews weboards and then maybe you will understand what I am talking about.

I've aware there are still racists in this country. It's just not as prevelant as some on the left like to make it out to be.
 
Back
Top Bottom