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    Re: We are a Christian Nation....

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    We're either a land of Muslims or a land of Crusaders. There is no gray area between the two. This is a Crusading nation and the entire planet is well aware of this. Our military is nothing more than modern day Crusaders. Crusaders are Christians.

    It is what it is...
    You are defining terms in a VERY narrow way. Not the way these terms are mostly used. It is called equivocation.
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    Re: We are a Christian Nation....

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    We are a nation that was created by Christians and reflects Christian values. We aren't a Christian theocracy, but we are a Christian nation.
    We are a nation built on common sense values that are shared by many people, religious and non-religious. There is nothing in our creation as a country that is exclusively Christian.

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    Re: We are a Christian Nation....

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    We are a nation that was created by Christians and reflects Christian values. We aren't a Christian theocracy, but we are a Christian nation.
    I have trouble saying our Randian-charged nation reflects Christian values.
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    Re: We are a Christian Nation....

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    We are a nation that was created by Christians and reflects Christian values. We aren't a Christian theocracy, but we are a Christian nation.
    You too are defining terms in a VERY narrow way. We are a nation comprised by a Christian majority and by laws and values that are mostly based on Christian morality. In the way the terms are most often used, that does NOT translate into us being a Christian nation.
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    Re: We are a Christian Nation....

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    We're either a land of Muslims or a land of Crusaders. There is no gray area between the two. This is a Crusading nation and the entire planet is well aware of this. Our military is nothing more than modern day Crusaders. Crusaders are Christians.

    It is what it is...
    Whaaaattttt?

    This isn't the Middle Ages or a video game. And contrary to your bizzare belief, I doubt most Americans are interested in going to war to spread Christian ideals.
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    Re: We are a Christian Nation....

    The Freemasons are the most powerful organization in the world(whether you wanna believe it or not). And the Freemasons are dominated by Christians. All religions are welcome but it's a Christian organization, and you must believe in a God for membership. The Freemasons are also the most influential organization in America and have been since day one. Look around at all the government land marks in Washington, and tell me what you see. Christianity has always been ingrained in the US government. But at the same time America welcomes all religions, and that's the best part about this country.
    True, the Freemason's are the most powerful organization in the world. Did you get that? The world. That takes in many religions, many cultures and many regions. Here in America it is safe to say that the majority of F&AM's are christians. But to be more clear, F&AM's do not endorse any religion over another. Not even here in the US. Also, to be a mason, you simply have to have belief in diety. One cannot profess to be "atheist" to become a masonic brother. Upon investigation, one simply has to say "no" when they ask the prospective apprentice if they are an atheist. They do not and will not ask what their beliefs are. The fraternity is religious in nature, perhaps, but it is not a religion. In general, F&AM's are typically "free thinkers." In fact, when F&M's invoke the blessing of diety before their important undertakings, the diety is always addressed as "The Great Architech of the Universe" and NOT as "God/Allah/Jesus/ <fill in your diety of choice here.>

    You are correct when stating that the US was founded on masonic tenents. However, one of those tenents, as stated is, "harmony and strength is the support of all institutions. More especially of ours." That is why our forefathers went to great lengths to keep an arms length from religion when dealing with matters at hand. They went out of their way to make SURE everyone understood that we are not a nation founded on the principles of any religion over another.

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    Re: We are a Christian Nation....

    You too are defining terms in a VERY narrow way. We are a nation comprised by a Christian majority and by laws and values that are mostly based on Christian morality. In the way the terms are most often used, that does NOT translate into us being a Christian nation.
    Our laws are not based on Christian values. They are based on Anglo-Saxon law which is an off shoot of Old Norse law which is the law of a Pagan culture. Our individualist brand of property rights and freedoms are all innovations of that pre-Christian civilization. These laws were, incidentily, relatively indifferent to Pagan religion and had more directly to do with the dynamics of power within communities.

    According to how early Christian communities were governed, laws based on Christian values would be more like socialism.

    After the introduction of Christianity, monarchs and assemblies of arisocrats and freemen modified Anglo-Saxon Law to reflect some Christian precepts; for example, they made it harder to get a divorce. Most of those modifications were later overturned, independently in both the United States and Great Britain.
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    Re: We are a Christian Nation....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Whaaaattttt?

    This isn't the Middle Ages or a video game. And contrary to your bizzare belief, I doubt most Americans are interested in going to war to spread Christian ideals.
    It is true.

    9/11 wasn't the first day we went to war with the Muslims.
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    Re: We are a Christian Nation....

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    I've been showing evidence of a Christian America and i think it is YOU that should be proving other wise. You're the one that's in denial, not me.
    No, you've shown evidence that a majority of Americans are Christian. Where does it say that a majority of people being one religion makes the entire nation that religion?

    If this isn't a Christian nation then why is 76% of America Christian?
    Because a majority of Americans being Christian doesn't make it a Christian nation. It makes it a nation that has a majority of Christians.

    If this isn't a Christian nation then why is there over 250,000 Christian churches in America?
    Where does it say that 250,000 churches makes this a Christian nation?

    If this isn't a Christian nation then why has the US government always been dominated by Christians employees?
    Again, how does that make this a Christian nation?

    If this isn't a Christian nation then why were the founding fathers Christian?
    Because the founding fathers gave us freedom of religion, which has nothing to do with Christianity.

    If this isn't a Christian nation then why is it that you take advantage of the Christian holidays (Christmas)?
    Oh come on! Christmas hasn't had a lot to do with Christianity for a long time. Who is the icon for Christmas? It certainly isn't Jesus.

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    Re: We are a Christian Nation....

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    It is true.

    9/11 wasn't the first day we went to war with the Muslims.
    We're not at war with the Muslims. That's a fallacy of your own making.
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