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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Wow... You are all grotesque. Those men attacked noone. The van with kids was obviously random good citizen trying to help someone with no weapons that is hurt. They purposely allowed unarmed non-combatents to be murdered via shoddy rules of engagement.
    There is no quid pro quo in a war. You're out in the open. You're dead. Period. And random good citizens do not show up to an attack helicopter site with 10 dead people around, especially with kids in the van, good citizens are in the cellar covering their heads and staying alive.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    That is not showed in the video... But what is showed is there willingness to purposely allow unarmend non-combatents to be shot because the law was on their side. They never, ever posed a threat to anyone of the US. Never once did they point a barrel at any person from what I can see in the video. But from the very begining a very big barrel was pointed at the murdered. This whole situation is so easy to figure out by simply listening to the glee of the shooter.
    They were the enemy.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    There is no quid pro quo in a war. You're out in the open. You're dead. Period. And random good citizens do not show up to an attack helicopter site with 10 dead people around, especially with kids in the van, good citizens are in the cellar covering their heads and staying alive.
    That would assume that the civilians thought they were going to be shot. Besides the soldiers wanted to shoot the wounded one. They were wanting him to pick up a weapon for that sole purpose and it doesn't sit well with me.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    There is no quid pro quo in a war. You're out in the open. You're dead. Period. And random good citizens do not show up to an attack helicopter site with 10 dead people around, especially with kids in the van, good citizens are in the cellar covering their heads and staying alive.
    Diffent culture different people.

    Also this wasn't the same as in the beginning of the war. There hasn't been much action in Iraq so people are not as scared.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    You know, I tried, but I just couldn't read this whole thread.

    All the AMERICA **** YEAH has made me nauseous, and as if that weren't bad enough, as if the OUR MILITARY IS SO AWEOME and WE ROCK SO HARD wasn't enough to make me vomit hate all over some of you, we get justifications and cheering for the contents of that video.

    Oh, great. Just ****ing great.

    Look, if some of you want to argue that it's not our fault someone else used human shields, fine. If you want to argue that that blood is on someone else's hands, alright, I guess. It's a seriously gray area in the already muddied code of war-time ethics, so I guess I can tolerate an argument along those lines.

    But cheering? At the death of children?

    **** you, ****necks. I don't need to point you out, you know exactly who the **** you sick mother****ers are.

    Oh yes, our military is just so awesome. It's JUST

    Afghan Investigators Say U.S. Troops Tried to Cover Up Evidence in Botched Raid - NYTimes.com

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    As U.S. Admits Killing and Covering Up Pregnant Afghan Women's Murder, Karzai Goes Rogue | World | AlterNet

    AWESOME.



    This isn't awesome.

    It's a damn mess.

    Screw you people for cheering over it. That's some seriously sick ****ed-up **** right there.


    I don't have a problem with the military in and of itself. I come from a long line of people who were proud to serve. I'm down with protecting your country.

    This ain't it.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    That would assume that the civilians thought they were going to be shot. Besides the soldiers wanted to shoot the wounded one.
    It assumes civilians who help armed men who were just shot, would also be armed and therefore would also get shot. It means that innocents get killed in all wars or conflicts. It means that during an engagement, civilians keeps their head and ass on the ground in a non-threatening manner until the shooting stops.

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    They were wanting him to pick up a weapon for that sole purpose and it doesn't sit well with me
    That's why they are soldiers and you're a civilian.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    That would assume that the civilians thought they were going to be shot. Besides the soldiers wanted to shoot the wounded one. They were wanting him to pick up a weapon for that sole purpose and it doesn't sit well with me.
    I hate to be the one to break it to you, but during war it is kill or be killed. From the looks of the video, there was a every reason to believe the insurgents had weapons, especially at the point in the video where a man is crouching around a corner with what looks to be like an RPG.

    Someone was going to die that day, and it sure wasn't going to be on the side of the U.S. military. Not today.

    To be most effective, the attack by the Apache and how the crew handled the threat is not random behavior.
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    This is me, shocked.
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Redress, your Salon excerpt needs to be read by all:

    The video comes with several caveats. First, the warning soldiers always give about viewing things like this: Videos simply don't capture the complexity, pressures and confusion of modern warfare, they say. Things may look one way, now, on video, but in the heat of battle, it's likely that they seemed a lot different to those involved.

    Second, the video may not show Americans doing anything wrong -- or at least not illegal under the Law of Armed Conflict. The shorthand version of that law is that you can kill the enemy, period. The gray area in asymmetrical warfare, however, is determining just who the enemy is. Given those ambiguities, in a military courtroom a jury would have to determine if the shooter "honestly and reasonably" believed he was shooting the enemy, according to Gary Solis, an expert on military law at Georgetown University. "That will always be a defense," he told Salon.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    I hate to be the one to break it to you, but during war it is kill or be killed. From the looks of the video, there was a every reason to believe the insurgents had weapons, especially at the point in the video where a man is crouching around a corner with what looks to be like an RPG.

    Someone was going to die that day, and it sure wasn't going to be on the side of the U.S. military. Not today.

    To be most effective, the attack by the Apache and how the crew handled the threat is not random behavior.

    Exactly but hell, lets wait until they actually kill someone before reacting in a war zone!

    Can you imagine 1942? I'm sorry, you can't attack those Nazi troops. They look at ease and are not attacking anyone at the moment. No it doesn't matter that they're armed. They're just hiding behind a building while allied vehicles are coming up the road.
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