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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It's not that people are OK with it, it is that things like that are inevitable. Our military does tend to do all it absolutely can to minimize mistakes, but they will happen. From my watching, it looks like mistakes where clearly made, with tragic results. It's sad, but in war, these things do happen. It is impossible to describe the stress these young men are under, and knowing that mistakes the wrong way can result in their friends dying, well, you can understand why they tend to err towards tending to be overaggressive.
    You make some very good points. War is hell, and it's easy to judge from my armchair. However, the way in which this incident was reported was almost as disgusting as the mistake. It was apparently clear in the video that these men did not act in a hostile way. Yet the official report reads:

    “There is no question that Coalition Forces were clearly engaged in combat operations against a hostile force,” said Lt. Col Scott Bleichwehl, spokesperson and public affairs officer for MND-B.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Wow... You are all grotesque. Those men attacked noone. The van with kids was obviously random good citizen trying to help someone with no weapons that is hurt. They purposely allowed unarmed non-combatents to be murdered via shoddy rules of engagement.
    So we have to wait for someone to attack before we can attack? What planet are you on?
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    You make some very good points. War is hell, and it's easy to judge from my armchair. However, the way in which this incident was reported was almost as disgusting as the mistake. It was apparently clear in the video that these men did not act in a hostile way. Yet the official report reads:




    Firefight in New Baghdad; US, Iraqi forces kill 9 insurgents, detain 13 | United States Forces - Iraq
    I was not addressing that aspect of it MG. Simply how people a guy was condemning those who where somewhat less than shocked at the video.
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

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    So we have to wait for someone to attack before we can attack? What planet are you on?
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

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    When did Iraq mess with America?
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    So we have to wait for someone to attack before we can attack? What planet are you on?
    No, but there should be a demonstration of hostile intent before engaging. Simply walking out in the open with an AK-47 (which is commonplace in Iraq) is not a sufficient demonstration of hostility.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    No, but there should be a demonstration of hostile intent before engaging. Simply walking out in the open with an AK-47 (which is commonplace in Iraq) is not a sufficient demonstration of hostility.
    Thank God you don't get to make up the rules of engagement.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    They are under great stress. I'm not sure how you can deny that.



    Either way, it's warfare.
    Warring forces against those with no army. Occupation is different than open warfare.
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    Thank God you don't get to make up the rules of engagement.
    AK's are very commonplace in Iraq. Are you suggesting that simply carrying one is a sufficient justification for engaging?

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Warring forces against those with no army. Occupation is different than open warfare.
    I'm not sure what you're trying to say. My point was that whether you call it a war or an occupation, warfare is the end result.
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