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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Fair enough... So long as you accept the rediculous notion that Iraq is not occupied. yes yes... they're not occupying Iraq, they are liberating it...

    The way I see it :
    We have invaded their country illegally and on false pretenses, and these soldiers are returning by not following those same rules of war... on both faces of it.

    So, let's be real... we are little better then pirates in Iraq there to plunder their ressources. So, is it really such a surprise that the other side would return the favor by using 'illegal' tactics of defense?
    Still claiming illegality after UN resolution 1441 from 2002? Sorry, that won't fly - and if "we" go down, everyone who backed us goes with us.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    It's ALMOST comparable to someone trying to home invade you, and you blow his brains off, only to find yourself arrested for defending yourself.
    That happens in my State and all the time in other country's. Nothing uncommon about that.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Fair enough... So long as you accept the rediculous notion that Iraq is not occupied. yes yes... they're not occupying Iraq, they are liberating it...
    Huh? That has nothing to do with it.

    The way I see it :
    We have invaded their country illegally and on false pretenses,
    The Iraq war was perfectly legal, Saddam Hussein perpetrated numerous acts of war acts the U.S. and UNSCR 678 authorized us to use "all necessary means," to enforce UNSCR 660 and "all subsequent resolutions," and Saddam continuously violated those subsequent resolutions.


    and these soldiers are returning by not following those same rules of war... on both faces of it.
    Which soldiers?

    So, let's be real... we are little better then pirates in Iraq there to plunder their ressources. So, is it really such a surprise that the other side would return the favor by using 'illegal' tactics of defense?
    Um, it was Saddam who plundered the resources of Iraq for his own gains, the U.S. on the other hand has given the people of Iraq control over their own resources for the first time in their modern history, so try again.

    It's ALMOST comparable to someone trying to home invade you, and you blow his brains off, only to find yourself arrested for defending yourself.
    If by home invasion you mean the police breaking down the door with a warrant and trying to arrest you.
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Still claiming illegality after UN resolution 1441 from 2002? Sorry, that won't fly - and if "we" go down, everyone who backed us goes with us.
    Well... you wouldn't like the analogy I would give to this situation, so I'll just let you have it.

    That happens in my State and all the time in other country's. Nothing uncommon about that.
    Just because it's a regular occurance, doesn't mean it's right or good, although that's more an issue about laws not reflecting justice.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post

    Um, it was Saddam who plundered the resources of Iraq for his own gains, the U.S. on the other hand has given the people of Iraq control over their own resources for the first time in their modern history, so try again.
    Is there anything that should be done about a democratic republic's government massively appropriating and stealing from those out of Sauron's media eye? Or is just wrong when small sects of people do it?
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Well... you wouldn't like the analogy I would give to this situation, so I'll just let you have it.
    I have more Resolutions if you want them.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Just because it's a regular occurance, doesn't mean it's right or good, although that's more an issue about laws not reflecting justice.
    Right or good is irrelevant when it comes to this - accepted is the motto to be followed. You defend yourself in the U.K. for example, you run the risk of going to jail and being sued by the guy robbing you. Not right. Not good. But accepted.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You are speculating. And the us troops you call murderers, can not risk thier lives on speculation, that your heros rescuing the ones shooting at Americans don't have an rpg in the van.


    As for my "ground combat" experience. Well. Lets just leave that as you being foolish as usual.
    The only way I would join the militairy is if I was willing to risk my life for what others speculate on. Seems they risk their life to find many speculated terrorists according to lots of these videos. Oh wait. Not really. They aren't risking their life severely with the upper hand they have. This puts some in a situation totally out of touch with the boundries most have from society. The ability to kill without any chance of being hurt. It isn't war. It is a death game. Our militairy shouldn't be a death cult. It should be a defensive force.
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    there is no force, nor threat of force, that could make me harm any being on this planet, that didn't have it coming. I am a "Life Guard". My role is to save lives.
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Seems they risk their life to find many speculated terrorists according to lots of these videos.
    I think you mean "suspected".

    Oh wait. Not really. They aren't risking their life severely with the upper hand they have. This puts some in a situation totally out of touch with the boundries most have from society. The ability to kill without any chance of being hurt. It isn't war. It is a death game. Our militairy shouldn't be a death cult. It should be a defensive force.
    Yeah, we have the upper hand with our ability to emplace IEDs, wear civilian clothes to blend in with the population, hide in mosques, use civilians as human shields, wear suicide vests and drive cars rigged with explosives, kidnap and execute people.

    Get a clue.

    How about you get in a humvee and drive down MSR Tampa or Route Irish. Then you can tell me that Soldiers aren't risking their lives.

    PS: We are a defensive force. 99% of enemy casualties in Iraq are a direct result of self-defense or reaction to contact.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Is there anything that should be done about a democratic republic's government massively appropriating and stealing from those out of Sauron's media eye? Or is just wrong when small sects of people do it?
    Um what? You're going to have to elaborate but I'm sure it will be some false analogy comparing the U.S. government to the Baathist regime.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    The only way I would join the militairy is if I was willing to risk my life for what others speculate on. Seems they risk their life to find many speculated terrorists according to lots of these videos. Oh wait. Not really. They aren't risking their life severely with the upper hand they have. This puts some in a situation totally out of touch with the boundries most have from society. The ability to kill without any chance of being hurt. It isn't war. It is a death game. Our militairy shouldn't be a death cult. It should be a defensive force.




    Hey man, you know why they sounded like they did requesting permission to fire with urgency? You could hear the adrenelin, you know why that was?


    It was because they had no chance of being hurt.



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