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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    O.K. sport, I read the link to the GC regarding the treatment of the sick and wounded but maybe I missed something, so why don't you copy and paste the specific section you are referencing? KTHXBAI.
    International Humanitarian Law - First 1949 Geneva Convention


    Art. 18. The military authorities may appeal to the charity of the inhabitants voluntarily to collect and care for, under their direction, the wounded and sick, granting persons who have responded to this appeal the necessary protection and facilities. Should the adverse Party take or retake control of the area, he shall likewise grant these persons the same protection and the same facilities.

    The military authorities shall permit the inhabitants and relief societies, even in invaded or occupied areas, spontaneously to collect and care for wounded or sick of whatever nationality.
    The civilian population shall respect these wounded and sick, and in particular abstain from offering them violence.

    No one may ever be molested or convicted for having nursed the wounded or sick.

    The provisions of the present Article do not relieve the occupying Power of its obligation to give both physical and moral care to the wounded and sick.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Notice how when the gunner asks for permission to engage the van he lies. He says that they are removing the bodies. (Hiding the dead?) But the van only ever picked up a guy that was hurt. Is there a difference between picking up a wounded person and removing dead from the battlefield in terms of legality.

    Did he intentionally make it sound like the van was scooping up all the dead even though they put one living wounded man in it?
    Actually, what they said was that the people were picking up bodies AND GUNS...

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Two things that will be said about that :

    - The country is not 'invaded' it is 'liberated'
    - The are not inhabitants they are 'unlawful enemy combatants' until proven otherwise, (usually after weeks and months of torture and interrogation) and so they are not eligible for Geneva protections.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Two things that will be said about that :

    - The country is not 'invaded' it is 'liberated'
    - The are not inhabitants they are 'unlawful enemy combatants' until proven otherwise, (usually after weeks and months of torture and interrogation) and so they are not eligible for Geneva protections.
    No doubt that will probably be brought up.

    Regardless, the gunner in the AH-64 should have made all efforts to identify the van as hostile. These efforts were not made and are clear violations of international law.

    Once the guy from the van started helping one of the wounded, the US violated the First Geneva Convention by opening fire on him.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    How long did the "Shooting ceased". Please. I'm thinking you have never been in combat....






    So wait, the people who took childeren into the middle of a battle between people pointing RPG's a US troops, are "hero's" to you?


    How freaking pathetic, brother.
    The pathetic thing is that you know exactly what I said and meant but decided to make some **** up. As usual.

    Did the people in the van point ANY weapon at ANYONE? Then I guess I wasn't talking about the OTHER people who actually had weapons. I only explain it on the off chance that you really are that dense.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    The pathetic thing is that you know exactly what I said and meant but decided to make some **** up. As usual.

    Stop crying. I did no such thing. You think the van picking up the people who were shooting at your fellow americans were "heros"....


    That is what you said. If thats not what you meant, instead of mouth foaming, try to explain it like a rational person, brother.


    Did the people in the van point ANY weapon at ANYONE? Then I guess I wasn't talking about the OTHER people who actually had weapons. I only explain it on the off chance that you really are that dense.

    So they should have waited until the van who entered a firefight to have started shooting at them?

    You must never have seen combat. :
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    And he didn't pick up the gun so he didn't shoot.



    He says in between that that he "can't fire" as if there was a weapons malfunction, to me it looks like his intent was to destroy the van and insure that it was immobilized and you can't really see anything at that point anyways.




    I see no violation of the GC, these people put themselves in the middle of a firefight and attempted to aid in the escape of unlawful combatants, an equivalent would be an armed robber who got shot was surrounded by police and I burst through in a van to try to rescue him.
    The flaw in your arguments about finding weapons and this retarded, helping of combatants nonsense is that we know there were no weapons in the van or on the people from the van as well as the wounded person who we know was a journalist.

    So you can't argue that after the fact weapons were found which justifies your argument while denying the other things "found" after the fact.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Notice how when the gunner asks for permission to engage the van he lies. He says that they are removing the bodies. (Hiding the dead?) But the van only ever picked up a guy that was hurt. Is there a difference between picking up a wounded person and removing dead from the battlefield in terms of legality.

    Did he intentionally make it sound like the van was scooping up all the dead even though they put one living wounded man in it?
    They didn't even get him into the van. The gunner in the video simply lied in order to continue shooting.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    They didn't even get him into the van. The gunner in the video simply lied in order to continue shooting.



    What part of "the van entered a fire fight" is giving you trouble?
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    No doubt that will probably be brought up.

    Regardless, the gunner in the AH-64 should have made all efforts to identify the van as hostile. These efforts were not made and are clear violations of international law.
    Any vehicle that arrives after a firefight where weapons were confirmed is automatically suspect. The ROE at that time (2007) identifed DTO's (designated terrorist organizations) as well as time sensitive targets which the VAN clearly was as it arrived and tried to pull in one of the terrorists (at the time that's what all of the men on the ground were viewed as). No ROE was violated that I can see but these rules change often.

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Once the guy from the van started helping one of the wounded, the US violated the First Geneva Convention by opening fire on him.
    What part of the Geneva convention specifically?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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