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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    ok, 2004 called, they want thier talking points back.
    Just as true today as it was in 2004. Time doesn't change facts. At least for most people.
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Just as true today as it was in 2004. Time doesn't change facts. At least for most people.
    What a shallow concept of history you have.
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    I can't believe people watching that are attempting to second guess the soliders, and the military reviewed approval of their actions.

    If you think with all the variables that exist in such circumstances, with your lives on the line, with limited information and time, that there is not a huge margin of acceptable error, you aren't being honest. Furthermore, if you think any military should set its margin of error such that it hurts them and their objectives as much as it doesn't, then that's absurd.

    The reality is that if you absolutely do not want that to happen, ever, then get your military out of there. By in large, the military isn't killing people when they are back stationed on their base state-side (aside from those that snap or turn on them intentionally). These soliders are at war. You may think the war is a joke, a mistake, etc.....all entirely irrelevant. Their lives aren't mistakenly at risk....they are actually, at risk.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    What a shallow concept of history you have.
    At least I have a concept of history. You on the other hand don't seem to have a clue.

    The undeniable fact is Bush invaded Iraq to disarm Saddam of his WMDs and there wasn't any. Oops.
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    At least I have a concept of history. You on the other hand don't seem to have a clue.

    The undeniable fact is Bush invaded Iraq to disarm Saddam of his WMDs and there wasn't any. Oops.



    This was one dof several reasons. Hussein bluffed. He lost. But you keep lamenting old iraq
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    I can't believe people watching that are attempting to second guess the soliders, and the military reviewed approval of their actions.

    If you think with all the variables that exist in such circumstances, with your lives on the line, with limited information and time, that there is not a huge margin of acceptable error, you aren't being honest. Furthermore, if you think any military should set its margin of error such that it hurts them and their objectives as much as it doesn't, then that's absurd.

    The reality is that if you absolutely do not want that to happen, ever, then get your military out of there. By in large, the military isn't killing people when they are back stationed on their base state-side (aside from those that snap or turn on them intentionally). These soliders are at war. You may think the war is a joke, a mistake, etc.....all entirely irrelevant. Their lives aren't mistakenly at risk....they are actually, at risk.
    I agree with you to a point...

    The MAIN issues I have from this video aren't as you mentioned specifically, but illustrates why my issues are as few....

    simply,
    a) the first group did have some weapons, and the gunner was justified in shooting at them... the main issue is that he continued firing untill they were all dead. I'm not 100%, but I was under the impression that ROE at the time was that once a combatant was downed that they would cease fire... correct me if I'm wrong or misunderstood.

    B) The van with the kids... It's not so much that he shot at the van with kids in it... he essentially lied to his command about the threat that the people in that van represented. They were there clearly to offer assistance to the wounded guy. None of them had any weapons, or even made any threatening gestures or anything. Not sure how that would fit with the ROE... but somehow you would expect there to be conditions set before shooting.

    This situation DID happen in the heat of a battle, and there were some enemy combatants in the area. I understand the adrenaline, but there needs to be a level of professionalism from the millitary. I know that most soldiers act honourably, so don't take this the wrong way...

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    It's just we get a lot of claims of service brother, you should ask the admin for your star.
    I was forced, against my better judgment and will, by a government running a segregated country, to go to a foreign country and kill other humans for, what was by '69, a grab bag for officers advancement and corporate profits. I never picked up my metals and I don't want recognition here for that ****.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You are so right, How dare we invade that paradise Hussein created for his people.
    Yeah, how dare we.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Just popped in to see if anybody posted any more cool videos.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This was one dof several reasons. Hussein bluffed. He lost. But you keep lamenting old iraq
    Bluffed? Saddam repeatedly declared no WMDs.
    A trillion dollars and thousands of American lives and we have gained nothing.? We lost.
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