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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

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    Just out of curiosity...whats a 'plow marker'? Where can one buy a 'plow marker'? Oh...and I dont mean the rigid orange markers that attach to plows...I mean the kind of plows that apparently work by being thrown into a field...

    Ive seen the video too. I'd be most intrigued to know what kind of 'plow markers' are the shape and size of the 'plow markers' thrown into the field. And Id be FASCINATED to learn why they hadnt used it prior to throwing it in the field. And VERY intrigued as to why they suddenly felt the need to toss said 'plow marker' haphazardly into the field after being taken from the back seat of a car...where it apparently wasnt doing a whole lot of good PRIOR to being thrown into the field...to...what purpose...I dont really know...as I havent seen them used on ANY ranch or farm applications before...
    The vid i seen they used a long rod or some crap with 2 flags tied to the ends. And it marker was the width of the plow pattern below it. And you can see the plow behind aiming perfectly to meet the marker....
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    The vid i seen they used a long rod or some crap with 2 flags tied to the ends. And it marker was the width of the plow pattern below it. And you can see the plow behind aiming perfectly to meet the marker....
    It wasnt a 'rod'...it was a package of at least some substance rigid that had to be at least 18 inches in diameter (the heat from the individuals hand left a residual heat signature on less than half of it).

    No way in HELL were they marking the plow pattern. Dude ran into a field and tossed it like it was stolen. He didnt measure anything...certainly not the swath and width of the tractor...which...oh yeah...you dont do because you place the plow on the inner markings...not the outer. He didnt place anything. He ran into the field, ditched whatever it was, and ran back.

    Nah...you heard the narration and parroted it without applying THOUGHT...kind of a dangerous thing to do.

    As with this video, that video also makes me feel very twisted. I see both sides...and Ive spent several years there. I think its likely that in both incidents the pilots were quick on the trigger. i wasnt there...I dont know the full circumstances.

    But just taking detractors word at face value is as wreckless as just blindly supporting the actions.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    MetalGear,
    I thought it has already been decided that they did not have RPG's. What the pilots claimed to have been RPG's did not look anything like RPG's, maybe since you have served in the frontline of the war against Iraq with the SAS and $hit you can perhaps tell me does Iraq have an RPG that looks like a camera?
    It looks like one guy had an RPG and another guy had an AK47. Watch around 3:40 of the video. After seeing those, it would be easy to mistake the photographic equipment for a third and fourth weapon.
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    It looks like one guy had an RPG and another guy had an AK47. Watch around 3:40 of the video. After seeing those, it would be easy to mistake the photographic equipment for a third and fourth weapon.
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    MetalGear,
    I thought it has already been decided that they did not have RPG's. What the pilots claimed to have been RPG's did not look anything like RPG's, maybe since you have served in the frontline of the war against Iraq with the SAS and $hit you can perhaps tell me does Iraq have an RPG that looks like a camera?
    You need to get your eyes checked out. I saw an RPG.

    And if im the one that is mistaken, i sure as hell cant blame them for thinking it is.

    Anyway, in the KNOWN presence of an Apache (might i add) they did very little to illicit behavior that wouldn't have been conceived as suspicious and they did everything in there power to look like the Taliban IMO.

    Forget the fact they where walking down the road armed to the teeth, how about the suspicious "corner checking" that little Iraqi watchman was doing? I sure as hell would have shot the s-hit out of them.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    I am reminded of a phrase commonly used back in the Nam. "Study long, study wrong."

    I think it's GREAT to see these clips of war footage leaking out so people can see, up close and personal, the perils of war.

    We have so many arm-chair generals and war mongerer's relaxing, with beer in hand, watching FOXNews, as they push for more war. I would imagine that most of them have no dog in the fight therefore have no objection to war as others lose their son's and daughters in the fight.

    One thing, for sure, after watching several of these clips, I know our troops are valiant, brave and some deadly son's a bitches. Cream of the crop. I couldn't be prouder of them.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalGear View Post
    You need to get your eyes checked out. I saw an RPG.

    And if im the one that is mistaken, i sure as hell cant blame them for thinking it is.

    Anyway, in the KNOWN presence of an Apache (might i add) they did very little to illicit behavior that wouldn't have been conceived as suspicious and they did everything in there power to look like the Taliban IMO.

    Forget the fact they where walking down the road armed to the teeth, how about the suspicious "corner checking" that little Iraqi watchman was doing? I sure as hell would have shot the s-hit out of them.
    Well you are right I do need to get my eyes checked. I couldn't see the RPG or the guy watching the corner. I cannot argue against an SAS member, and I won't either. I'm just saying I didn't see the RPG.....

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I am reminded of a phrase commonly used back in the Nam. "Study long, study wrong."

    I think it's GREAT to see these clips of war footage leaking out so people can see, up close and personal, the perils of war.

    We have so many arm-chair generals and war mongerer's relaxing, with beer in hand, watching FOXNews, as they push for more war. I would imagine that most of them have no dog in the fight therefore have no objection to war as others lose their son's and daughters in the fight.

    One thing, for sure, after watching several of these clips, I know our troops are valiant, brave and some deadly son's a bitches. Cream of the crop. I couldn't be prouder of them.
    I like killing machines too, buts its just the style of American fighting forces that makes it pretty cowardly you know fight from the sky because the other nation has no SAM or air force to fight against our air power. This has resulted in the deaths of innocent civilians which were common during the Serb-Kosovo war. And it seems to be pretty common here in Iraq. The worse part is that the majority of the people and military just brush it off as "collateral" damage.
    And I hate hearing some of your opinions, maybe you don't think "collateral" damage is so bad maybe just think for a second a much more powerful military that does that you one of your brothers, sisters, sons, or father and then tell me how "collateral" damage feels...

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    Well you are right I do need to get my eyes checked. I couldn't see the RPG or the guy watching the corner. I cannot argue against an SAS member, and I won't either. I'm just saying I didn't see the RPG.....
    Watch the video again.

    Do you at least accept that walking down the road armed to the teeth as an "innocent" civilian is stupid and irresponsible if you think it wont illicit a respone (apache bullet holes in your head for starters)?

    Sorry, but AK47's are guns that only people with contacts can get by. In Iraq, civilians cannot carry guns, do not carry guns, and should not carry guns. Thats not to say a lot dont have them, but they wont walk down the street with them.
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    I like killing machines too, buts its just the style of American fighting forces that makes it pretty cowardly you know fight from the sky because the other nation has no SAM or air force to fight against our air power. This has resulted in the deaths of innocent civilians which were common during the Serb-Kosovo war. And it seems to be pretty common here in Iraq. The worse part is that the majority of the people and military just brush it off as "collateral" damage.
    And I hate hearing some of your opinions, maybe you don't think "collateral" damage is so bad maybe just think for a second a much more powerful military that does that you one of your brothers, sisters, sons, or father and then tell me how "collateral" damage feels...

    You call it coward, I call it smart. VERY smart.

    These other piss-ant country's should know better than to bring a sword to a gunfight. Rattle the big-dog's cage and you're gonna get yo' ass bit!

    In regards to collateral damage, I wish the unavoidable could be avoided. I agree that we have become rather de-sensetized here in the US. It will be a while before the images of our own brothers, sisters, sons, or fathers, burning bodies falling from high-rise buildings erases from our minds. Granted, I never felt that Iraq played much a hand in 911, but it still leaves one with a "WTF" attitude towards middle easterner's. I truly could care less about any of them.

    Perhaps then, we will fight a more "dignified" fight. Maybe learn how to plant I.E.D.'s or something else "honorable" like that. [/sarcasm]

    No. If we have to go to combat, expect NO mercy. **** the world. I'm sick of it. To me, if it ain't American, it don't mean ****.

    That's why I'm Captain America. NOT Captain Iraq.
    Last edited by Captain America; 04-08-10 at 06:05 PM.

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