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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalGear View Post
    War is a dirty business. It was also a stupid mistake on the part of all parties involved. Emotionally charged orders usually result in civilian deaths however. Firstly, Iraq, Waziristan, Pakistan....irrelevant. We make it clear as military personnel repeatedly that they should NOT walk around with guns in open public, especially RPG's. Thats our job.
    If they get shot in the arse for holding a weapon you can hardly blame the military for engaging them as a precautionary weapon and deterrent against terrorism.
    The lives of the Iraqis rest in our hands. We are there to protect it's civilians, not kill them. I don't give a damn if "war is a dirty business". We have the most advanced military technology and tactics in the world, and yet we still use the tactic "if it looks like they have a gun, shoot them". If I were in their boots, I would have waited to see what the group did before shooting them up. Innocent civilians... wiped off the face of the earth... and no one should be to blame? I'll bet you a million dollars that members of the family of any one of those people killed joined the Anti-American militias... those we label as "terrorists" for fighting our troops.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    Regardless of the reasoning behind attacking those men (which I think was totally justified), and the reasoning behind attacking the van (which I think is more dubious), I don't think doing it with a 30mm cannon from a helicopter can be justified at all.

    That was a dense residential area.
    It was a tight grouping of shots.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    The lives of the Iraqis rest in our hands. We are there to protect it's civilians, not kill them. I don't give a damn if "war is a dirty business". We have the most advanced military technology and tactics in the world, and yet we still use the tactic "if it looks like they have a gun, shoot them".
    OK i think you have completely missed the point.
    As i have already pointed out, it is nobodies fault other than that of the men. My problem lies with the fact that the journalists where unarmed but killed anyway.

    Not once in my time working on the field did i ever come across tech that could scan and distinguish between a civilian and a terrorist, sorry, and i worked with some pretty complex gadgets.

    In an area of Baghdad that is highly volatile and warped with violence, armed men carrying Kalashnikov's and RPG's are deemed a threat and a possible target. Shooting them was an appropriate response in a perimeter where US military personnel where present.

    In a society where carrying guns are forbidden, it certainly raises an eyebrow and gives rise to labeling those who openly carry heavy warfare weaponary in areas where the Taliban frequently raid and do the same.

    Infact what concerned me the most was this; what was that man doing with a missile launcher for goodness sakes? An RPG? Come on.

    If I were in their boots, I would have waited to see what the group did before shooting them up. Innocent civilians... wiped off the face of the earth... and no one should be to blame?
    Both sides made fatal mistakes.
    I can understand the need for a firearm but an AK47 and an RPG? Sorry, thats just pushing it.
    Also, looking at it from the angle of an Apache, i too would have deemed it highly suspicious and would have engaged. It is a shame those who gave the thumbs up didn't investigate it further, but in Iraq you do not take your chances, and i cannot say i blame those involved in the incident.

    The US military lied about the incident and that was also another mistake.
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalGear View Post
    OK i think you have completely missed the point.
    As i have already pointed out, it is nobodies fault other than that of the men. My problem lies with the fact that the journalists where unarmed but killed anyway.
    So...... you want the guys in the chopper to land, get out, and ask the journalists (who of course, didn't have big signs on their backs stating they were journalists) to please leave the area as we want to open fire on these heavily armed insurgents and you guys might be in danger.......... "oh, and you heavily armed guys just stay right there....... I'm sure this won't take but a minute more of your time"

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    So...... you want the guys in the chopper to land, get out, and ask the journalists (who of course, didn't have big signs on their backs stating they were journalists) to please leave the area as we want to open fire on these heavily armed insurgents and you guys might be in danger.......... "oh, and you heavily armed guys just stay right there....... I'm sure this won't take but a minute more of your time"

    You were kidding, right?
    I said it concerned me, on a humanitarian level.
    I didn't say i wouldn't have shot them if i was in there place.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalGear View Post
    OK i think you have completely missed the point.
    As i have already pointed out, it is nobodies fault other than that of the men. My problem lies with the fact that the journalists where unarmed but killed anyway.
    When i say "men" i meant the armed Iraqi's, just to be clear.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Can/ should Obama be treated as a war criminal. Perhaps arrested if he leaves the country.
    For a combat error justified by video feed?
    No.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    If the British and Americans have the right to shout about individuals killing our civilians then the Iraqis should reserve the right to drag some of our soldiers to court in their country.

    I don't know whether the worst bit is watching the journalist trying crawl away or the fact they shot even tho they were in no immediate danger or were being fired on by the individuals on the street, the laughing or the fact it took so many years for this to be released.

    I wonder how many more videos there are of British and American soldiers killing civilians that have been hidden from public view
    You can't effect an arrest from a helicopter. If you engage an enemy you kill them.
    It prevents you from having to engage the same target next month. Simple as.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    The lives of the Iraqis rest in our hands. We are there to protect it's civilians, not kill them. I don't give a damn if "war is a dirty business". We have the most advanced military technology and tactics in the world, and yet we still use the tactic "if it looks like they have a gun, shoot them". If I were in their boots, I would have waited to see what the group did before shooting them up. Innocent civilians... wiped off the face of the earth... and no one should be to blame? I'll bet you a million dollars that members of the family of any one of those people killed joined the Anti-American militias... those we label as "terrorists" for fighting our troops.
    Wrong on so many levels.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Nothing like debating actions that happened in 2007 - we've redefined our approaches and methods since then and apparently some people haven't noticed.

    Of course, it's impossible to notice when you're not actually involved and on the ground or in the air calling the commands and requesting clearance to fire.

    Yep! Nothing like every action of every military personal being questioned and criticised by the Net Watchers from the safety of their internet and home and without any reprocussions who also don't have the balls to actually join any force and fight for any cause - their only weapon is to debate these things with the greatest netrage fervor they can muster.

    Seems to me that if all the 'God NO!' debaters on this issue want to change things even more then perhaps they should join the military and work their way to the top of command, thus enabling them the power to change all that they don't agree with.

    Ah, but that's not going to happen, now is it. Because that would require getting involved and giving a ****, putting yourself in danger's way and maning up (or womaning up).

    Which, apparently, is far outside the box of the Net Watcher's safey zone; far be it from us to encourage them to become active rather than passive on all these issues.
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