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Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

dirtpoorchris said:
The only way I would join the militairy is if I was willing to risk my life for what others speculate on. Seems they risk their life to find many speculated terrorists according to lots of these videos. Oh wait. Not really. They aren't risking their life severely with the upper hand they have. This puts some in a situation totally out of touch with the boundries most have from society. The ability to kill without any chance of being hurt. It isn't war. It is a death game. Our militairy shouldn't be a death cult. It should be a defensive force.
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The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
The only way I would join the militairy is if I was willing to risk my life for what others speculate on. Seems they risk their life to find many speculated terrorists according to lots of these videos. Oh wait. Not really. They aren't risking their life severely with the upper hand they have. This puts some in a situation totally out of touch with the boundries most have from society. The ability to kill without any chance of being hurt. It isn't war. It is a death game. Our militairy shouldn't be a death cult. It should be a defensive force.
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The military is meant to kill bad guys. Typically bad guys refer to other nations' warriors. Average soldier is not a Delta Force Operator. Soldiers aren't paid to sit around letting enemy warriors get the advantage or away.
Now if you want a death cult that would be a Delta Force Operator.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
The military is meant to kill bad guys. Typically bad guys refer to other nations' warriors. Average soldier is not a Delta Force Operator. Soldiers aren't paid to sit around letting enemy warriors get the advantage or away.
Now if you want a death cult that would be a Delta Force Operator.
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What??? :confused:
 
American said:
What??? :confused:
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I meant that the only group that could qualify as a Death Cult would be Delta Force because all they do is kill. And not much else. Of course they are only killing the bad guys but still.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
You are speculating. And the us troops you call murderers, can not risk thier lives on speculation, that your heros rescuing the ones shooting at Americans don't have an rpg in the van.


As for my "ground combat" experience. Well. Lets just leave that as you being foolish as usual. :ssst:
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I didn't call US troops murderers but as usual you just say whatever lie you feel like and attribute it to your opponent.

Well they didn't jump out of the van in masks or with weapons in hand so it looks like you're full of crap as usual.
 
Agent Ferris said:
WTF did he lie about? He said that the men in the van were picking up the body and possibly weapons.
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You didn't just add the word "possibly" to validate your bull****, did you?
 
Ockham said:
Still claiming illegality after UN resolution 1441 from 2002? Sorry, that won't fly - and if "we" go down, everyone who backed us goes with us.

That happens in my State and all the time in other country's. Nothing uncommon about that.
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So you're a supporter of the UN and not one of the, 'the UN is a worthless body that the USA should dump' crowd?
 
kansaswhig said:
I think you mean "suspected".



Yeah, we have the upper hand with our ability to emplace IEDs, wear civilian clothes to blend in with the population, hide in mosques, use civilians as human shields, wear suicide vests and drive cars rigged with explosives, kidnap and execute people.

Get a clue.

How about you get in a humvee and drive down MSR Tampa or Route Irish. Then you can tell me that Soldiers aren't risking their lives.

PS: We are a defensive force. 99% of enemy casualties in Iraq are a direct result of self-defense or reaction to contact.
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So if China were to invade the USA for our human rights violations and any number of other violations they could dream up, you'd go join the military? Or would you fight a geurilla style campaign in civilian clothes? Would you consider yourself a terrorist an insurgent or something more patriotic sounding?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Hey man, you know why they sounded like they did requesting permission to fire with urgency? You could hear the adrenelin, you know why that was?


It was because they had no chance of being hurt. :roll:



:doh
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Could it possibly be excitement at the opportunity to waste some more hajis? Obviously they weren't in any danger as it's also obvious that the men on the ground can't even hear the helos in the distance.
 
NoJingoLingo said:
Could it possibly be excitement at the opportunity to waste some more hajis? Obviously they weren't in any danger as it's also obvious that the men on the ground can't even hear the helos in the distance.
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Obviously you have never been in combat. And please lets not be a racist and use the term "hajis".
 
NoJingoLingo said:
They didn't even get him into the van. The gunner in the video simply lied in order to continue shooting.
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If the "gunner lied" wouldn't that make him a murderer? Please lets not be so cowardly as to not call a spade a spade....

I mean you already called the people entering a fire fight to rescue the enemy, "heros".... :shrug:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
If the "gunner lied" wouldn't that make him a murderer? Please lets not be so cowardly as to not call a spade a spade....

I mean you already called the people entering a fire fight to rescue the enemy, "heros".... :shrug:
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The true and descriptive thing to say would have been, "A van has pulled up and is showing interest in a survivor. They are evacuating one of the wounded. "

Was the point of this whole scenario to eliminate a threat? Or just to kill everyone seen here and make sure to leave no witnesses alive to testify against.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
The true and descriptive thing to say would have been, "A van has pulled up and is showing interest in a survivor. They are evacuating one of the wounded. "

Was the point of this whole scenario to eliminate a threat? Or just to kill everyone seen here and make sure to leave no witnesses alive to testify against.
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What would you think if that van, entered the firefight and when they opened that door there was an RPG ready to fire?


Do you think they could have hit the van before it fired?



This is war kid. The van entered a fire fight, it was a threat.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
What would you think if that van, entered the firefight and when they opened that door there was an RPG ready to fire?


Do you think they could have hit the van before it fired?



This is war kid. The van entered a fire fight, it was a threat.
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Your point is horrible because the apache let the van stick around for a very long time. The guys got out and assessed the situation. And went for the only person left alive for rescue. If the van would have been hostile they would have just fired at the apache with somethign they could have. So now all vans in places we are occupying with their doors closed should be shot up because a RPG may be waiting? The gunner worded his crap carefully to get permission because it is what he wanted to do.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Your point is horrible because the apache let the van stick around for a very long time. The guys got out and assessed the situation. And went for the only person left alive for rescue. If the van would have been hostile they would have just fired at the apache with somethign they could have. So now all vans in places we are occupying with their doors closed should be shot up because a RPG may be waiting? The gunner worded his crap carefully to get permission because it is what he wanted to do.
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you don't get it. :shrug:



Not all vans enter a fire fight, the ones that do get lit up. :doh
 
NoJingoLingo said:
So if China were to invade the USA for our human rights violations and any number of other violations they could dream up, you'd go join the military? Or would you fight a geurilla style campaign in civilian clothes? Would you consider yourself a terrorist an insurgent or something more patriotic sounding?
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Not sure I understand the analogy, however...

I'm already a member of the military and if the Chinese invaded America, I would fight them.
 
NoJingoLingo said:
So if China were to invade the USA for our human rights violations and any number of other violations they could dream up, you'd go join the military? Or would you fight a geurilla style campaign in civilian clothes? Would you consider yourself a terrorist an insurgent or something more patriotic sounding?
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You do know, that the US is allies with the recognized Iraqi government, these "insurgents" have no grounds to justify thier fight.


But don't let that stop you from comparin US troops terrorists. :roll:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
If the "gunner lied" wouldn't that make him a murderer? Please lets not be so cowardly as to not call a spade a spade....

I mean you already called the people entering a fire fight to rescue the enemy, "heros".... :shrug:
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You didn't say the "gunner" you said US Troops. If you want to narrow that down to "the gunner who lied" then yes, he committed murder. :2wave:

People who risk their lives to save the life of another is pretty much the definition of a hero. You have a problem with that?
 
kansaswhig said:
Not sure I understand the analogy, however...

I'm already a member of the military and if the Chinese invaded America, I would fight them.
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The analogy is that in a city, where people live and work, there just might be people, who oppose the invading force who are not terrorist. They are people pissed off that another country is shooting their friends and neighbors and blowing up their entire ****ing country.

What if you weren't already in the military, would you defend your home, your neighborhood, maybe even your city, in civilian clothes? If your neighbor was taking pictures and got shot and was trying to crawl to safety, would you try and help him as soon as you thought it was safe?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
You do know, that the US is allies with the recognized Iraqi government, these "insurgents" have no grounds to justify thier fight.


But don't let that stop you from comparin US troops terrorists. :roll:
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So now I've called our Troops terrorists? It's not even worth asking you to provide the proof, you just ignore and continue.
 
NoJingoLingo said:
You didn't say the "gunner" you said US Troops. If you want to narrow that down to "the gunner who lied" then yes, he committed murder. :2wave:

People who risk their lives to save the life of another is pretty much the definition of a hero. You have a problem with that?
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Thanks for admitting you called troops murderers and people rescuing the enemy as "heros" :2wave:
 
NoJingoLingo said:
So now I've called our Troops terrorists? It's not even worth asking you to provide the proof, you just ignore and continue.
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Uhm i said "compare" do try to follow along. I know mouth foaming is all you got but usually you can at least keep up.


You sir have been pwnd in this thread, my troop hating enemy hero calling race baiting brother! :ssst:
 
NoJingoLingo said:
Could it possibly be excitement at the opportunity to waste some more hajis? Obviously they weren't in any danger as it's also obvious that the men on the ground can't even hear the helos in the distance.
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You don't know much about helicopters do you?
 
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